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I don’t really understand how we are supposed to believe in e2ee in closed proprietary apps. Even if some trusted auditor confirms they have plumbed in libsignal correctly, we have no way of knowing that their rendering code is free of content scanning hooks. We know the technology exists. Apple had it all polished and ready to go for image scanning. I suppose the only thing in which we can place our faith is that it…
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Email encryption for most people is sufficient even if the metadata is exposed. One can simply state in their email encryption "Bing Bing Bong" or "Why did you not put the trash out?" which might mean to the recipient :: "check the second SFTP server" or "let the cat outside" or "Jump on my private Mumble chat server" or "Get on my private self hosted IRC server" . The email message need not be encrypted for that mat…
yeah bro genius, that sounds like a totally actionable thing people will do all the time with email. Be sure to drink your ovaltine
I know, right? I admit that is mostly for people on Linux desktops. People on smart phones are 100% monitored regardless of encryption or fake E2EE that platforms pinky promise is really E2EE like Signal. Shame on Moxie, he knows better.
Ovaltine has a crapload of sugar. Don't drink that horse piss.
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Email encryption for most people is sufficient even if the metadata is exposed. One can simply state in their email encryption "Bing Bing Bong" or "Why did you not put the trash out?" which might mean to the recipient :: "check the second SFTP server" or "let the cat outside" or "Jump on my private Mumble chat server" or "Get on my private self hosted IRC server" . The email message need not be encrypted for that mat…
So it's end to end encrypted except that third parties can see who you communicated with and when? Sure.
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Ok, and? Presenting your ID at a number of IRL estamblishments also heavily reduces anonymity
The difference is that IRL establishments don't sell off that data to anyone else, nor do they have the ability to collate that data with data from other establishments to make a profile of you. (at least not yet)
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It's a slippery slope. This is the next two steps into 1984. Once you start mandating this, there's no going back. The next generation will start associating wrongthink with government IDs. (Wait, we already do that, right?)
The Party doesn't care about the Proles, only the members of the Outer Party. I think that it's rather funny that people like to appeal to 1984 as if the only point of Mr. Orwell was that surveillance is bad, missing the entire point about stuff like the control of the language or the idea that the only self-justification of the (Inner) Party is power for the sake of power (see also: The Theory and Practice of Oligar…
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> Would it be a fair argument to say the police have a better opportunity to prevent crimes if they can enter your house without a warrant? Police can access your home with a warrant. Police cannot access your E2EE DMs with a warrant.
Not answering my question! > Police cannot access your E2EE DMs with a warrant. They can and do, regularly. What they can't do is prevent you from deleting your DMs if you know you're under investigation and likely to be caught. But refusing to give up encryption keys and supiciously empty chat histories with a valid warrant is very good evidence of a crime in itself. They also can't prevent you from flushing drugs d…
Uh, it absolutely isn't? WTF dystopian idea is this?
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Tiktok has private messaging, and it is used by hundreds of millions of people. IMO no consumer service should have private 1:1 messaging without e2e. Either only do public messaging (ie. Like a forum), or implement e2e.
Tiktok has direct messages, they don't even call them private. It's better that they're honest about this, nobody should believe for a second that WhatsApp or FB messages are truly E2EE. DM on social media shouldn't be used for anything remotely private. It's a convenience feature, nothing more.
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If you are a grown adult and dont do research on “messaging apps” (which Tik Tok is not) then thats really on you.
This viewpoint isn't a slippery slope, it's a runaway train. "You moved into a neighborhood with lead pipes? That's on you, should have done more research" "Your vitamins contained undisclosed allergens? You're an adult, and it didn't say it DIDN'T contain those" "Passwords stolen because your provider stored them in plaintext? They never claimed to store them securely, so it's really on you"
Also consider what this means for open source. No hobbyist can ship an IM app if they don't go all the way and E2E encrypt (and security audit) the damn thing. The barriers of entry this creates are huge and very beneficial for the already powerful since they can afford to deal with this stuff from day one.