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TikTok will not introduce end-to-end encryption, saying it makes users less safe

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Re: TikTok will not introduce end-to-end encryption, saying it makes users less safe

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Post by baq »

LoganDark wrote: post #26
ranyume wrote: post #20

This might be off-topic but on-topic about child safety... but I'm surprised people are being myopic about age verification. Age verification should be banned, but people ignore that nowadays most widely used online services already ask for your age and act accordingly: twitter, youtube, google in general, any online marketplace. They already got so much data on their users and optimize their algorithms for those gro…

Monitoring children's DMs is the responsibility of the parents, not megacorps. If a parent wants to install a keylogger or screen recorder on their child's PC, that's their decision. But Google should not be able to. Neither should... literally anyone else except maybe an employer on a work-provided device.

Mega corps should be compelled to and rewarded for allowing parents to monitor their children’s dms.

Re: TikTok will not introduce end-to-end encryption, saying it makes users less safe

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Post by echelon »

Nursie wrote: post #75
ranyume wrote: post #20

This might be off-topic but on-topic about child safety... but I'm surprised people are being myopic about age verification. Age verification should be banned, but people ignore that nowadays most widely used online services already ask for your age and act accordingly: twitter, youtube, google in general, any online marketplace. They already got so much data on their users and optimize their algorithms for those gro…

> Age verification should be banned Why? > They already got so much data on their users There are a variety of ways (see "Verifiable Credentials") that ages can be verified without handing over any data other than "Is old enough" to social media services.

It's a slippery slope.

This is the next two steps into 1984.

Once you start mandating this, there's no going back.

The next generation will start associating wrongthink with government IDs. (Wait, we already do that, right?)

Re: TikTok will not introduce end-to-end encryption, saying it makes users less safe

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Post by shakna »

Nursie wrote: post #75
ranyume wrote: post #20

This might be off-topic but on-topic about child safety... but I'm surprised people are being myopic about age verification. Age verification should be banned, but people ignore that nowadays most widely used online services already ask for your age and act accordingly: twitter, youtube, google in general, any online marketplace. They already got so much data on their users and optimize their algorithms for those gro…

> Age verification should be banned Why? > They already got so much data on their users There are a variety of ways (see "Verifiable Credentials") that ages can be verified without handing over any data other than "Is old enough" to social media services.

Age verification obliviates anonymity on the internet. If everything you do, _can_ be tracked by the government, it _will_ be.

Allowing for more effective propaganda, electrol control, and lights a fire on the concept of a government _representing_ anyone.

Re: TikTok will not introduce end-to-end encryption, saying it makes users less safe

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Post by [deleted] »

ranyume wrote: post #20

This might be off-topic but on-topic about child safety... but I'm surprised people are being myopic about age verification. Age verification should be banned, but people ignore that nowadays most widely used online services already ask for your age and act accordingly: twitter, youtube, google in general, any online marketplace. They already got so much data on their users and optimize their algorithms for those gro…

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Re: TikTok will not introduce end-to-end encryption, saying it makes users less safe

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Post by sham1 »

echelon wrote: post #82
Nursie wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Age verification should be banned Why? > They already got so much data on their users There are a variety of ways (see "Verifiable Credentials") that ages can be verified without handing over any data other than "Is old enough" to social media services.

It's a slippery slope. This is the next two steps into 1984. Once you start mandating this, there's no going back. The next generation will start associating wrongthink with government IDs. (Wait, we already do that, right?)

The Party doesn't care about the Proles, only the members of the Outer Party.

I think that it's rather funny that people like to appeal to 1984 as if the only point of Mr. Orwell was that surveillance is bad, missing the entire point about stuff like the control of the language or the idea that the only self-justification of the (Inner) Party is power for the sake of power (see also: The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism).

I'd even go as far as to say that if "telescreens are horrible" is the only thing that someone takes away from 1984, they've frankly missed the point.

Re: TikTok will not introduce end-to-end encryption, saying it makes users less safe

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Post by Dban1 »

ranyume wrote: post #20

This might be off-topic but on-topic about child safety... but I'm surprised people are being myopic about age verification. Age verification should be banned, but people ignore that nowadays most widely used online services already ask for your age and act accordingly: twitter, youtube, google in general, any online marketplace. They already got so much data on their users and optimize their algorithms for those gro…

I thought it was common knowledge to just set your birthdate to 1970 or something

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Post by pinkmuffinere »

debazel wrote: post #39
xeckr wrote: post #22

Brilliant. They're repackaging the argument governments have long made about E2EE being dangerous to children.

Children are just too effect of a tool when building a surveillance state. We should have banned children from owning open computers a long time ago just like we do with Alcohol, Driving licenses, etc. Instead children would own special devices that are locked down and tagged with a "underage" flag when interacting with online services, while adults could continue as normal. We already heavily restrict the freedom of…

> We should have banned children

I see you Mr Quaker Oats

Re: TikTok will not introduce end-to-end encryption, saying it makes users less safe

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Post by true_religion »

tayo42 wrote: post #51
debazel wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Children are just too effect of a tool when building a surveillance state. We should have banned children from owning open computers a long time ago just like we do with Alcohol, Driving licenses, etc. Instead children would own special devices that are locked down and tagged with a "underage" flag when interacting with online services, while adults could continue as normal. We already heavily restrict the freedom of…

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not

This is how the internet is run in countries where you need ID to connect to services. It’s not at all dystopian.

Re: TikTok will not introduce end-to-end encryption, saying it makes users less safe

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Post by azinman2 »

debazel wrote: post #39
xeckr wrote: post #22

Brilliant. They're repackaging the argument governments have long made about E2EE being dangerous to children.

Children are just too effect of a tool when building a surveillance state. We should have banned children from owning open computers a long time ago just like we do with Alcohol, Driving licenses, etc. Instead children would own special devices that are locked down and tagged with a "underage" flag when interacting with online services, while adults could continue as normal. We already heavily restrict the freedom of…

Would be a nightmare to implement and achieve the goal, but I have to say I think it’s more right than wrong. All of the data is very clear about the harms.

China has restrictions for social media and screen time for kids — how do they implement this?

Re: TikTok will not introduce end-to-end encryption, saying it makes users less safe

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Post by jjmarr »

debazel wrote: post #39
xeckr wrote: post #22

Brilliant. They're repackaging the argument governments have long made about E2EE being dangerous to children.

Children are just too effect of a tool when building a surveillance state. We should have banned children from owning open computers a long time ago just like we do with Alcohol, Driving licenses, etc. Instead children would own special devices that are locked down and tagged with a "underage" flag when interacting with online services, while adults could continue as normal. We already heavily restrict the freedom of…

> Instead children would own special devices that are locked down and tagged with a "underage" flag when interacting with online services, while adults could continue as normal.

California is mandating OSes provide ages to app stores, and HN lost their mind because it's a ban on Linux.

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