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TikTok will not introduce end-to-end encryption, saying it makes users less safe

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Re: TikTok will not introduce end-to-end encryption, saying it makes users less safe

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Post by tayo42 »

debazel wrote: post #39
xeckr wrote: post #22

Brilliant. They're repackaging the argument governments have long made about E2EE being dangerous to children.

Children are just too effect of a tool when building a surveillance state. We should have banned children from owning open computers a long time ago just like we do with Alcohol, Driving licenses, etc. Instead children would own special devices that are locked down and tagged with a "underage" flag when interacting with online services, while adults could continue as normal. We already heavily restrict the freedom of…

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not

Re: TikTok will not introduce end-to-end encryption, saying it makes users less safe

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Post by acuozzo »

ranyume wrote: post #46
acuozzo wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But what responsibilities do megacorps have? Right now, everyone seems to avoid this question Clear, simple, direct: Whatever was required of The Bell Telephone Company and nothing more.

I'd say that at minimum social networks need to be required to show how their algorithm works and allow users control over their data. They must be able to know why a content was served to them. Nowadays social networks are so pervasive in society, affecting it and molding it to unknown interests, that this is the bare minimum for a free society. Ideally, users should be able to modify the algorithm, so they can get…

> social networks need to be required to show how their algorithm works

Hypothetically speaking: What if it's a neural network in which each user has his/her own unique weights which are undergoing frequent retraining?

Would it not be an undue burden to necessitate the release of the weights every time they change?

Also, what value would the weights have? We haven't yet hit the point of having neural networks with interpretability.

Wouldn't enforcing algorithmic interpretability additionally be an undue burden?

> They must be able to know why a content was served to them.

What if the authors of the code are unable to tell you why?

Re: TikTok will not introduce end-to-end encryption, saying it makes users less safe

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Post by Barbing »

g947o wrote: post #15
ronsor wrote: post #6

Why would you use TikTok for private communications anyway? It's mostly a public short video sharing platform.

Says someone who has never sent a message to a friend over DM on TikTok.

Hopefully

Re: TikTok will not introduce end-to-end encryption, saying it makes users less safe

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Post by stephbook »

maest wrote: post #2

Do you feel safer knowing DMs are not encrypted?

Do you take "yes" for an answer?

It really depends on whether you think your government is more dangerous than, say, suicide trends, grooming, scamming.

I know the answer is pretty easy for US citizens to answer right now.

Re: TikTok will not introduce end-to-end encryption, saying it makes users less safe

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Post by Barbing »

adventured wrote: post #7
ronsor wrote: post #6

Why would you use TikTok for private communications anyway? It's mostly a public short video sharing platform.

You say that like the typical 18 year old has any idea what they're doing when it comes to proper encryption and communication safety. That is never going to be the case. It's a communication channel attached to the most popular social network for young people. Obviously they're going to use it a lot. They use it for the extreme convenience.

>never going to be the case.

And in a perfect world essentially shouldn’t have to be, at least inside expensive walled garden app stores.

Re: TikTok will not introduce end-to-end encryption, saying it makes users less safe

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Post by Barbing »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #14
somenameforme wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's very safe to assume that no major US based platform has 'real' E2E encryption. They're almost certainly all a part of PRISM by now, and it'd contradict their obligations to enable government surveillance. So the only thing that's different is not lying about it. Though I expect the other platforms are, like when denying they were part of PRISM, telling half truths and just being intentionally misleading.…

Signal is open source

Snowden endorsed last I heard? He doesn’t email of course.

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Post by da_chicken »

acuozzo wrote: post #43
ranyume wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Monitoring children's DMs is the responsibility of the parents, not megacorps Absolutely. But what responsibilities do megacorps have? Right now, everyone seems to avoid this question, and make do with megacorps not being responsible. This means: "we'll allow megacorps to be as they are and not take any responsibilities for the effects they cause to society". Instead of them taking responsibilities, we're collectin…

> But what responsibilities do megacorps have? Right now, everyone seems to avoid this question Clear, simple, direct: Whatever was required of The Bell Telephone Company and nothing more.

So there should be a human operator manually gatekeeping every individual request to connect with another endpoint?

It's a good thing those human operators couldn't listen in to whichever conversation they wanted.

Re: TikTok will not introduce end-to-end encryption, saying it makes users less safe

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Post by zadikian »

adventured wrote: post #7
ronsor wrote: post #6

Why would you use TikTok for private communications anyway? It's mostly a public short video sharing platform.

You say that like the typical 18 year old has any idea what they're doing when it comes to proper encryption and communication safety. That is never going to be the case. It's a communication channel attached to the most popular social network for young people. Obviously they're going to use it a lot. They use it for the extreme convenience.

They might understand e2ee but not care.
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