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Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by nwienert »

ezoe wrote: post #369
TekMol wrote: post #13

Every time I read about these dystopian deplatforming events on Hacker News, my first reaction is to write a comment on how we could find our way out of this. Then the term "Web3" comes up in my mind, and then I think "Oh now, this is HN, they will burn you alive" and I turn to other things again. But right now, for some reason I feel so strongly about, I'll give it another try. Wouldn't it be great if we could tackl…

Are you young? Because, we once had the web3 you're describing about. Back when P2P was a trending technology, we implemented most of the web on peer to peer mesh network. File sharing, forum, web pages, we had it all. The conclusion is, it was so inefficient most people don't want to use it. That's why people of today use Hacker News rather than P2P forum, trusting the central authority that is Y Combinator. Are you…

This reads to me like “GE made the EV1 in the 90s and it sucked, you’re so silly for thinking you can make electric cars work now”.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by [deleted] »

vorticalbox wrote: post #372
lapcat wrote: post #129

My Twitter account has been suspended multiple times, the last time for an obvious joke. As with the article author here, Twitter reviewed my appeal and denied it. https://lapcatsoftware.com/articles/twitter4.html In the end I caved, giving Twitter my phone number and deleting the tweet, because I need my Twitter account for professional purposes. But now guess what, there was a data breach, and hackers are selling m…

This is why you do not use a work/professional account for things other than work.

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Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by pvg »

zdragnar wrote: post #379
snoopy_telex wrote: post #355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Admitting that the tweet is revenge porn by closing the review request and deleting the tweet. I mean, in this case, I’d likely keep forcing the review too. This is clearly just a bad detection

That's literally admitting to a crime. Even if the crime didn't actually happen, the tweet is gone, so now he's left with having admitted to a crime and no evidence to show that he didn't actually commit it.

It's not literally admitting to a crime. If I said that if you reply to this comment, you stole my wallet and you reply, you're not admitting you stole my wallet.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by MegaButts »

cgriswald wrote: post #371
saxonww wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ideally people would just quietly stop using Twitter and services like it en masse, but that's not going to happen, so it's reasonable for people to complain about mistreatment. And that's what this is: the author got banned for their post violating a 'revenge porn' rule when that's not even close to what they posted. Twitter's content moderation didn't work here. It banned someone incorrectly. That person used the a…

This guy is upset that the free service he uses employs imperfect AI and it affected him personally. I agree we shouldn't be using AI for everything and we might even include humans after an AI makes a call just to verify the call. However, that has a cost and this guy isn't paying. I'd guess this guy wouldn't pay, because having to deal with occasional AI errors is part of the cost and he clearly doesn't want to pay…

> You cannot possible be this dense.

This is your idea of verbal abuse? Obviously this is subjective, but I would laugh at you if you said this to me - like literally laugh in your face.

No, at some point you have to say the problem is being overly sensitive towards anyone complaining about your fuckup. The guy is right, and they fucked up - he shouldn't have to bend over backwards because they're fucking babies. Maybe they should try to have some accountability and integrity and try to fix the problem rather than get all pissy about someone who's being civil (the problem is nobody can agree on what's civil, and I understand this is not an easy problem). From my perspective, you are the problem here. And that's the thing, everybody sees it differently.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by sgjohnson »

safety1st wrote: post #293
sgjohnson wrote: post #273

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Which is fine. Because if the company has no physical presence in a certain country, they can basically ignore their laws, because what’s the country going to do? Block your website? Having an employee there establishes physical presence.

Right, but their stated reason for instituting the policy in the first place was that they couldn't ignore Serbian laws if their websites were available to be viewed in Serbia.

> they couldn't ignore Serbian laws if their websites were available to be viewed in Serbia.

With no presence in Serbia, they absolutely can. Serbia has got virtually no recourse in such a situation.

What are they going to do? Sue then in Serbia? They’ll never show up. Then trying to enforce the jugdement overseas will be a monumental (and also completely pointless) exercise.

Try suing someone in, say, the United States for violating Serbian law. Your case will get dismissed because the said US court would have no jurisdiction over the matter even if the company was based in the US.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by [deleted] »

TekMol wrote: post #13

Every time I read about these dystopian deplatforming events on Hacker News, my first reaction is to write a comment on how we could find our way out of this. Then the term "Web3" comes up in my mind, and then I think "Oh now, this is HN, they will burn you alive" and I turn to other things again. But right now, for some reason I feel so strongly about, I'll give it another try. Wouldn't it be great if we could tackl…

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Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by [deleted] »

bambax wrote: post #109

> Overnight, I received a response that my appeal had been denied. So a human being, someone who works at Twitter dot com, looked at that video, looked back at the rule it was breaking, looked once again at the video, and went “Yeah, this all checks out.” Of course not. "Appeals" are certainly not reviewed by human beings; maybe by another AI, or more probably by the same AI with higher thresholds. This is all automa…

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Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by bdhajaona »

OrangeMonkey wrote: post #117
bdhajaona wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Currently, our public squares are owned by private megacorporations Here's the problem I have with this analogy. Is it analogous to a public square (as in public property, owned by the state, maintained by tax payer money)? Or is it a private property that allows people to congregate for free but puts up ads to raise money, and many consider it as good as a public square, because most people they like hang out here…

See, I think you got into the area that I am troubled by. I will state two things I consider to be true that are mutually exclusive: * Online spaces (facebook, twitter, etc), when they reach a certain level, are de-facto public spaces and excluding people from it by big tech is harmful to humanity. * Online spaces owned by a private corporation is for their benefit, not humanities, and forcing them to keep others on…

> Online spaces (facebook, twitter, etc), when they reach a certain level, are de-facto public spaces and excluding people from it by big tech is harmful to humanity.

Sure we can treat online spaces like utilities e.g. I dont know what the law is but something like denying water is not legal or you got to have good reason to do so.). And like content, water quality should be maintained to a standard (e.g. moderating scammers, bots, illegal/objectionable content etc.). But the big difference, the govt can set water quality standards but is very reluctant to set content moderation standards (for good reasons). So we end up with a situation, we want content moderation but its not a govt approved standard and so we end up with moderation that not everyone agrees with.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by LightHugger »

cgriswald wrote: post #371
saxonww wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ideally people would just quietly stop using Twitter and services like it en masse, but that's not going to happen, so it's reasonable for people to complain about mistreatment. And that's what this is: the author got banned for their post violating a 'revenge porn' rule when that's not even close to what they posted. Twitter's content moderation didn't work here. It banned someone incorrectly. That person used the a…

This guy is upset that the free service he uses employs imperfect AI and it affected him personally. I agree we shouldn't be using AI for everything and we might even include humans after an AI makes a call just to verify the call. However, that has a cost and this guy isn't paying. I'd guess this guy wouldn't pay, because having to deal with occasional AI errors is part of the cost and he clearly doesn't want to pay…

I always find it funny when people get up in arms about "verbal abuse" and somehow don't care about the abuse inherent in the situation. Somehow the perpetuation of the abuse is justified by someone having an imperfect response, dear god. But i suppose you view him as an uppity supplicant who offended the king. Therefore he's a jerk and deserves it, according to you? This is not a view of things that actually solves the problem long term. The "jerk" is being far more productive than you, he is far above you.

When this happens to you, you write a 'polite' reply and get ignored all the same you probably won't even notice because you're too busy calling people jerks for getting banned by AI.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by progman32 »

ahtihn wrote: post #316
TheRealPomax wrote: post #277

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The real stinger is that there's no legal requirement to compensate someone for wrongdoing. Ban someone by accident, and then in a "review" uphold the ban despite overwhelming evidence? That should be a fine, paid out in part to the wronged party.

Twitter is entitled to deny service to anyone for any reason. Why should there be compensation for "accidental" bans?

They're entitled to, but such a policy might help retention. If there was a competitor that had a wrongful banning compensation policy, I would consider using them over Twitter.

Though I feel a bit silly thinking Twitter cares about retention.

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