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Re: Quit Your Job

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I can't say what the author is like, as I never heard of them before today. I note what the rhetoric of this piece echoes very strongly, and no doubt deliberately. I don't think that the "flavour of the month punchline" comment is in any way justified. It is neither.

But the Hitler comparison is what you meant, no? What is the rhetoric of the piece that you're talking about?

Since you ask, the phrases that I quoted are white nationalist and or Fascist (Neo- or old-school) thinking and imagery. I won't claim that it's all about one person's speaking style, that is reductive. The philosophy (such as it is) of those movements wasn't found there alone.

This guy gets it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29837954

Sorry to be "vague", I have no wish to be open to accusation (good faith or otherwise) regarding the site guidelines https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Quit Your Job

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> "Übermensch" is a much more evocative word than "overman". Try "Superman" instead. I'm not a historian, and I've wondered whether the historical background for the comic (conceived in the early '30s I think?) included some of the racial overtones that were more pervasive at the time. I don't know how influential Darwin and Galton were scientifically at the time, but even if they weren't current in scientific circle…

> and I've wondered whether the historical background for the (Superman) comic included some of the racial overtones that were more pervasive at the time. Maybe you should look into it some more then https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2020/jan/30/take-that-mr... https://screenrant.com/superman-secret-hebrew-name-jewish-ka... https://anfieldindex.com/geek/comics/superman-jewish-hero https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerr…

Thanks for the links! I'll check them out.

Re: Quit Your Job

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I have to say that the guy raised a huge red flag for me already in the first paragraph: "I hit the gym, pursued the most interesting and important ideas I could find, and started looking for a wife." Ho boy, I'm getting some Christian fundamentalist vibes with that sentence formulation. Like, a mix of a holy mission, an objectifying checkbox and a "time to get a wife to generate progeny". So I continued reading: "Th…

Could you elaborate more about why hitting the gym, pursuing interesting ideas, and looking for a relationship are red flags?

Re: Quit Your Job

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post #108

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Fossil records strongly suggest that life may have been a lot worse and less bountiful for early agriculturalists than contemporary non-agriculturalists.

Then where did the non-agriculturalists went? They either got killed by the surplus capacity of the agriculturalists, or joined them - both is rooted in the expanded capacity for food creation, and thus, technological creation.

One narrative is that the superior logistical capacity of agrarians gave them a military/reproductive/etc. advantage despite an inferior standard of living.

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I agree with everything you are saying. I'd like to share my perspective. I quit my job for about 2 years, thinking I would never go back to full time. It was extremely liberating but also a somewhat scary experience. The reason for this is I think delusional thinking unfortunately plays a big part in what happens to people who stop working for long periods of time. There are many, many people in my experience who st…

Not working a job simply reveals your inner character. When you work a job, you're an instrument of the will of your bosses. When you don't work a job, you're free to have a will of your own. So what you choose to do reflects completely on you. Sadly due to oppressive hierarchies many people have needed to exist in environments where willfulness is punished. Since all their past experiences acting of their own voliti…

There are many people who have conquered their fears, and are simply bad at whatever they are trying to do. Either that or they aren't really trying to do anything except enjoy themselves, and they don't care / are oblivious to the fact that their lifestyle is a net drain on society that will eventually land them in a very bad spot.

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I agree with everything you are saying. I'd like to share my perspective. I quit my job for about 2 years, thinking I would never go back to full time. It was extremely liberating but also a somewhat scary experience. The reason for this is I think delusional thinking unfortunately plays a big part in what happens to people who stop working for long periods of time. There are many, many people in my experience who st…

How do you think about the risk of turning into one of those non-work people but also valuing long periods of not working? When you initially quit, were you thinking you'd find a new position that you were passionate about and then it didn't materialize, forcing you to go back to your previous life?

When I initially quit, I thought I was going to do something similar to what the author here was trying to do, after taking a couple of years off. I had some fantasy of being an artist. I don't believe the notion that there is a position in tech that I would be passionate enough about that I would really care all that much, but I work remotely for about 5-6 hours a day now and have plenty of time to do the things that I care about.

My perspective now is that there are two ends of the work/life balance spectrum you should avoid. The first is not working at all, or working as little as possible. This would include doing something far below what you are capable of like working at a grocery store just because there is no stress and you can manage to get by on that type of income. Lots of people fall into a lifestyle where they realize they don't want to be materialistic, so they never get a career going, and then they pay serious consequences as they get older and have no money or freedom.

The other end of the spectrum to avoid is materialism. Measuring your self worth in status, or seeking status, especially through money, is a challenging thing to avoid at least in the US. Being close minded and materialistic, in my opinion, is robbing yourself of experiencing life in the way it can be experienced, because it makes it hard to build good relationships or empathize with people. Materialism is a huge huge issue in our society and it is something that too many people who start making lots of money take for granted, and this is ultimately rooted in fear and insecurity.

I think I was pushed down the path of materialism by default. I was an insecure twentysomething who was working hard at something that didn't make me happy, and everyone was telling me how well I was doing and to keep at it. The more I made it a part of me the more unhappy I became until I eventually quit.

When I quit and started hanging out with people who had also quit (or never started) I felt like a weight had been lifted off of me and that I was now living the dream. Eventually I realized how lucky I had been to have the career I had, and backed off of the path I was on by starting to work again, but with a much better sense of balance and perspective.

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I agree with everything you are saying. I'd like to share my perspective. I quit my job for about 2 years, thinking I would never go back to full time. It was extremely liberating but also a somewhat scary experience. The reason for this is I think delusional thinking unfortunately plays a big part in what happens to people who stop working for long periods of time. There are many, many people in my experience who st…

So you’re saying that everybody that makes money contributes to society?

Definitely not saying that. I would also argue that I am contributing less than a majority of my non tech friends, who all make less than me aside from a couple of doctors.

Re: Quit Your Job

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The author is Wolf Tivy, a cofounder of Palladium Magazine. Palladium Magazine is funded by Peter Thiel. The other cofounder of Palladium is Jonah Bennett; he now works at a stealth web3 startup and he says on his website he’s a political moderate. However, he also used to work at Tucker Carlson’s Daily Caller and pal around with white nationalists and neoreactionaries. He resigned from Palladium after those ties and…

Why dont we like Peter Theil? A couple of interesting things and people have come out of the Theil fellowship I don't personally think he went far enough to be an anathema as I would also consider leveraging political standing in any society where there are power vacuums, assuming his foray into courting a conservative administration is why people still dont like him

Foray implies it was a break from his previous trajectory.

He founded a mass surveillance company and is generally right wing/conservative.

Re: Quit Your Job

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The author goes on to talk about how there should be a leisure class (basically an aristocracy) and that should be “people of means”. So it’s not even hidden really, it’s just a cementing of the increasing wealth divide more throughly into the political sphere. Neo-Victorianism or something. The working class, literally called “wage-slaves” seemingly unironically in the article and their betters.

The poor have plenty of government support. You can live the liesure lifestyle if you choose to. I used to work 30 hours a week @$9 per hr and pay for an apartment, vehicle, and all of my expenses. The work (cook) was fun and I had a lot of free time to explore tech. Right after that I got a job as a mechanic and then was laid off. I spent two years on unemployment. I have actual real memories from living a good life…

Did you reply to the right comment I’m not sure this has anything to do with mine?

Re: Quit Your Job

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100%. I don't think this person is considering the single mom who has to work multiple minimum wage jobs just to make ends meet; the people who have never had any opportunity to have any sort of "network" to magically get another job. When you're in that position, you're constantly exhausted because of how much you're working. You have no savings. You absolutely cannot afford to just "quit" and have things work out.

The author is explicit about who this is for. There is never a suggestion that the single mom working multiple minimum wage jobs to make ends meet is the target. > If you have the resources to spend some time exploring, if you are on to interesting threads of novelty that few other people have, and if you have the spirit to tighten your belt, throw out your map, and explore off-road, then your real job is to do so.

Yes, I see the piece as a call to action if you have the means. Like it's almost a moral obligation to yourself or society.
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