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Re: Quit Your Job

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom » Fri, Jan 07, 2022, 1:47 PM UTC

memling wrote: post #345

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wasn't thinking about Ayn Rand (although her presence is no surprise at all). Lets just say that some of the rhetoric must have sounded better in the original German. e.g. "Übermensch" is a much more evocative word than "overman".

> "Übermensch" is a much more evocative word than "overman". Try "Superman" instead. I'm not a historian, and I've wondered whether the historical background for the comic (conceived in the early '30s I think?) included some of the racial overtones that were more pervasive at the time. I don't know how influential Darwin and Galton were scientifically at the time, but even if they weren't current in scientific circle…

> and I've wondered whether the historical background for the (Superman) comic included some of the racial overtones that were more pervasive at the time.

Maybe you should look into it some more then

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2020/jan/30/take-that-mr...

https://screenrant.com/superman-secret-hebrew-name-jewish-ka...

https://anfieldindex.com/geek/comics/superman-jewish-hero

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Siegel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Shuster

Re: Quit Your Job

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Post by vmception » Fri, Jan 07, 2022, 1:50 PM UTC

meheleventyone wrote: post #236

deepakkarki wrote: post #228

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How is this relevant to the article?

That’s gives context for who should, and what greater purpose they should quit their jobs for. It’s gussied up a bit in the article but it’s still there in the calls for a leisure class, references to elites, “traditional” relationship values and so on. It’s not a neutral article on the value of following your dreams.

“Do you feel excluded? Good its working”

Re: Quit Your Job

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Post by honkdaddy » Fri, Jan 07, 2022, 2:00 PM UTC

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #306

LAC-Tech wrote: post #293

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Why don't you just come out and say what you want to say?

Godwin's law.

So just to be clear - you're likening the author to Adolf Hitler?

If you think someone is a racist or a transphobe or a nazi or whatever flavour of the month punchline you prefer, you should just come out and say it, rather than being so bizarrely vague and smug about it. You think he's a nazi because he used to work with Peter Thiel - just say it!

Re: Quit Your Job

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Post by pcj-github » Fri, Jan 07, 2022, 2:00 PM UTC

You quit your job and started a blog. Wow. And then you wrote an article on your blog in a hypomanic state describing how you quit your job and started a blog. Amazing.

Re: Quit Your Job

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Post by vmception » Fri, Jan 07, 2022, 2:04 PM UTC

jonstewart wrote: post #204

The author is Wolf Tivy, a cofounder of Palladium Magazine. Palladium Magazine is funded by Peter Thiel. The other cofounder of Palladium is Jonah Bennett; he now works at a stealth web3 startup and he says on his website he’s a political moderate. However, he also used to work at Tucker Carlson’s Daily Caller and pal around with white nationalists and neoreactionaries. He resigned from Palladium after those ties and…

Why dont we like Peter Theil? A couple of interesting things and people have come out of the Theil fellowship

I don't personally think he went far enough to be an anathema as I would also consider leveraging political standing in any society where there are power vacuums, assuming his foray into courting a conservative administration is why people still dont like him

Re: Quit Your Job

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Post by sidlls » Fri, Jan 07, 2022, 2:31 PM UTC

maxduckworth wrote: post #188

sidlls wrote: post #170

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Asserting most people choose the "smart" path as much out of fear of failure as by making a calibrated decision seems more like projection than observation.

Why do you say that?

The GP wrote, "But there is always the niggling feeling for many (I am one) that while I may be making the "smart" choice the real reason I don't do something like this is that I am afraid."

He or she seems to be projecting rather than observing. That is: it might apply to them, but there's nothing in the GP's comment supporting a more general applicability.

Re: Quit Your Job

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Post by oofnik » Fri, Jan 07, 2022, 2:32 PM UTC

To everyone complaining that this article is elitist, or written from a privileged perspective, that's beside the author's point. He even addresses this critique succinctly:

> This is a key part of what it means to be a responsible elite. You use your privilege and your personal judgment to explore and solve problems that no one else can.

It's clear that this essay is not aimed at the everyman who finds meaning in the routine of life. A small number of individuals will read this and find inspiration in its perspective and ambition, even if they might be slightly off-put by its delusional tone. Often an unshakeable belief in one's own ability to succeed against all odds is enough to push one to go try to build something radically new. Personally I've never experienced that sort of absolute certainty, but I have definitely seen it in action.

My most original and insightful ideas came to me invariably during periods when I was unemployed, spending my time reading and wondering about the nature of the universe. I've never had the courage to pursue them. I'm glad some people do, though.

Re: Quit Your Job

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom » Fri, Jan 07, 2022, 2:33 PM UTC

honkdaddy wrote: post #353

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Godwin's law.

So just to be clear - you're likening the author to Adolf Hitler? If you think someone is a racist or a transphobe or a nazi or whatever flavour of the month punchline you prefer, you should just come out and say it, rather than being so bizarrely vague and smug about it. You think he's a nazi because he used to work with Peter Thiel - just say it!

I can't say what the author is like, as I never heard of them before today. I note what the rhetoric of this piece echoes very strongly, and no doubt deliberately.

I don't think that the "flavour of the month punchline" comment is in any way justified. It is neither.

Re: Quit Your Job

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Post by twobitshifter » Fri, Jan 07, 2022, 2:37 PM UTC

tonyj wrote: post #229

jonstewart wrote: post #204

The author is Wolf Tivy, a cofounder of Palladium Magazine. Palladium Magazine is funded by Peter Thiel. The other cofounder of Palladium is Jonah Bennett; he now works at a stealth web3 startup and he says on his website he’s a political moderate. However, he also used to work at Tucker Carlson’s Daily Caller and pal around with white nationalists and neoreactionaries. He resigned from Palladium after those ties and…

That's interesting context, but does that meaningfully change the message of this article?

I think so: he used his personal example to say follow your dreams, but he followed his dreams with the backing of Peter Theil. If you were thinking you could start an online magazine too after reading this article it’s a nice reality check.

Re: Quit Your Job

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Post by iakov » Fri, Jan 07, 2022, 2:43 PM UTC

osullivj wrote: post #295

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #250

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I started to think that the article _might_ have a certain political slant after coming across these phrases: "problems of governance from beyond the established liberal democratic paradigm" ... " the lone overman" ... "Growth Through Struggle" .. "your cosmic duty and win glory only in the bold attempt" ... "our society has been so stagnant and uncreative ... We chose the path of comfort... In our cowardice, we turn…

Not to mention the name "Wolf". Evidently, he is a "man of destiny". Oddly his linkedin profile pic has a toddler on his shoulders. I assumed the child was his own - the article does have a passing mention of finding a wife. No doubt he considers it his duty to transmit his elevated genetic legacy to future generation.

Do you think that transmitting your genes to future generations is bad? Is having a sense of purpose aka destiny bad?

Not sure what you are trying to say here, apart from the fact that you don’t like the author of the article.