iPad Pro M1 • Hacker News Board

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by peterburkimsher » Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 9:54 PM UTC

manigandham wrote: post #234

clairity wrote: post #148

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> "...gesture-like latencies in between to get it to work." i hate that animations on ios are i/o blocking. every single time i have to enter my passcode, it misses at least one if not two of my keypresses, which means i have to erase the whole thing and do it more slowly since the missing keypresses are essentially random (not just the final one or two). another related annoyance is alert popups that occur more than…

Yes, this is why the default iPhone calculator app is completely useless. These forced animations make tasks take the same amount of time regardless of how fast the hardware gets. I would love to be able to turn off all animations in iphone/ipad UIs.

There used to be a jailbreak tweak called Accelerate that would speed up animations.

https://www.idownloadblog.com/2012/11/12/accelerate/

I still use an iPhone 4S, and thanks to this tweak, I don't feel like my phone is any slower than newer models. Pity I can't browse half the web though (https died due to TLS).

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by smasher164 » Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 9:54 PM UTC

camillomiller wrote: post #315

jshen wrote: post #241

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I hear this argument a lot, but I don't buy it. Let's flip it around, 99% of people will want to do something with their computer that will turn out to be a giant pain in the ass with an ipad compared to a mac or windows laptop. If you had a friend/relative that didn't have much money, and was asking you for advice about which "computer" to get and they can only have one. Would you recommend an ipad? There is no chan…

No, and you know what, neither would Apple, otherwise they wouldn't offer M1 Macs. The mistake is that everyone thinks Apple wants its product to be everything, just because their marketing tends to encompass and emphasize bold claims of universality. The reality is that Apple knows pretty well its segmentation. The Pro in the iPad Pro is the same Pro of the iPhone, it simply doesn't mean what the average hackernews…

I agree that the target market might be different. However, even though multimedia workflows work pretty well on the iPad, some of the same restrictions that apply to development apply there.

For example, there's no notion of rendering a video in the background, organizing project files independent of the application, a plugin ecosystem for creative software, and proper IPC between these apps. So even though the market is different, there's still a lot to be done to come close to desktop editing workflows.

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by FearlessNebula » Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 9:55 PM UTC

Tycho wrote: post #96

Thinking of buying one and propping it up on my piano and using it for music writing and music tuition apps. Anyone tried anything like this?

It's great for this, but by a base $329 model for that, there's no advantage with the Pro for piano. Or buy a refurb 12.9" if you want a bigger screen for the piano

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by FearlessNebula » Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 9:57 PM UTC

KabirKwatra wrote: post #290

mabedan wrote: post #284

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3rd gen iPad was from 9 years ago... show me a 9 year old phone or tablet for any other manufacturer which still gets updated

Apple markets the iPad as a computer, so we can compare it to competing touchscreen laptops.

The iPad 3 was not being marketed as a computer like the new ones are

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by stevehawk » Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 9:57 PM UTC

Spartan-S63 wrote: post #13

It'll be interesting to see if iPadOS 15 steps us any closer to laptop/desktop class usage. The biggest thing holding back iPad from being a real laptop replacement for so many is the software. It's also not as simple as porting macOS to iPad. I get Apple's hesitancy from a usability and a product cannibalization standpoint, but it's time they step things forward.

it wont be porting MacOS to the iPad. It'll be discontinuing MacOS and having everyone on a derivative of iOS locked up with the App Store at a 30% tax.

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by smasher164 » Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 9:58 PM UTC

f6v wrote: post #108

smasher164 wrote: post #46

To me, it doesn't matter how powerful the iPad is if the software experience is subpar. Multitasking is cumbrous enough that it might as well not exist, multi-display setups can only mirror at a fixed aspect ratio, it lacks multiple user profiles requiring a family to be under a single user, and the few apps that take advantage of the keyboard/trackpad are nowhere similar to their desktop counterparts. Take Excel for…

I'm still skeptical that Apple wants it to be a general-purpose computer.

If you look at it in the abstract, using a computer is equivalent to programming it (ad-hoc), whether the computation and memory live in your head, on a clipboard, or in some app. If the whole "low-code"/visual programming trend is any indication, we need to collectively raise the power of tools and narrow the gap between usage and programming.

Apple should be trying to empower users with safe abstractions, not lock them down even more.

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by FearlessNebula » Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 9:58 PM UTC

peraspera wrote: post #280

Here are two anecdotes to explain why I'll never buy an Apple computer again, as 'sexy' as they are: 1. My brother has a old iPad (3rd generation). Somehow its battery is still good enough and the screen is in great shape, but the OS hasn't been updated in years. IIRC, Chrome is stuck on version 60 something. I could jailbreak it, but apparently I'd need a Mac to do that. 2. A friend of mine sold me an iMac 2010 for…

You really can't complain about their update support when iPhone gets support twice as long as Android. And I'm using Android personally so don't think I'm just an Apple shill

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by samatman » Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 9:59 PM UTC

varispeed wrote: post #356

samatman wrote: post #325

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Agreed! Apple products last longer than the competition. You can verify this in any manner you please: there is a robust aftermarket in everything Apple, and in at least phones, laptops, and tablets, the Apple offering will last longer in the wild than comparable products from other companies. Perhaps the most virtuous thing is to reduce tablets by not having one. But let's say you want one, an iPad will be used by s…

> there is a robust aftermarket in everything Apple, and in at least phones, laptops, and tablets, the Apple offering will last longer in the wild than comparable products from other companies. And these devices could last even longer if independent repair shops or users themselves could repair them. Unfortunately Apple has a habit of telling their suppliers to not sell parts to 3rd parties.

I wish I could agree!

Modern electronic gizmos last as long as the underlying software is supported by the manufacturer. The bits are the first part that wear out, unless supplied by Apple.

Having spent some time in southeast Asia, I can assure you that if you break the screen on your iPhone 5, someone can put a new one in for you. Good luck finding a sceen replacement for any contemporary phone: not that you would be carrying it, since the version of Android it would be running would be so out of date and insecure that the parasitic malware would render it unusable.

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by IkmoIkmo » Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 10:02 PM UTC

I think the real question is, suppose they make this thing 10x as fast, with 10x as much storage, and 5x the pixel density, 5x the max brightness, unlimited battery life.

Would I get one (at >$1k)? The answer is likely no, unless it's very cheap.

It's an absolutely lovely little device to have laying around on the coffee table / couch, to read the Economist, turn on some music, watch a Netflix episode. But not at the price levels it's at.

I can easily do without it, because it's still not replacing my iPhone or Macbook.

It's great to see the innovation because these features will be part of the $300 entry level iPad in 5 years. But the added value just doesn't seem to be there for me to be an early adopter of the latest Pro models. All the improved features don't really help me read the news any better or stream a show any better. And while I'm happy to pay $1500 for a Macbook due to its deep functionality, I'm only willing to pay a few hundred for a consumption device like the iPad.

I feel the iPad is kind of getting squeezed by a much improved bigger iPhone and smaller and better Macbook. The last iPhone screen is 75% larger than the iPhone 4, making lots of consumption in an iOS interface doable. The Macbook Airs are powerful, slim, great battery life, lightweight. There's the Apple TV / Smart TVs for watching shows. For me I either have to be way to rich to care, or the iPad to be so cheap that it's worth having on the side.

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by deergomoo » Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 10:03 PM UTC

technics256 wrote: post #342

deergomoo wrote: post #257

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I sold my nearly maxed out 16" MacBook Pro for an M1 Air. I hated the 16" with a passion, but the Air is my favourite computer I've ever owned. It sounds like a criticism, but the best thing about it is that it gives me absolutely no cause to ever think about it. I don't get irritated by it being burning hot and loud as hell because it's always cool and silent. I don't have to worry about battery life because it just…

My biggest concern is the screen size. Does it get in the way?

I do miss having the extra screen space, but even 16” felt like a bit of a compromise compared to being docked with a 27” monitor.

If you don’t mind a little blurriness you can always run it at a higher scaling mode and get effectively the same screen space as the 16”, just shrunk down. I go the opposite way—I’m willing to sacrifice space for perfect 1:1 pixel mapping.