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Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by smoldesu »

smasher164 wrote: post #46

To me, it doesn't matter how powerful the iPad is if the software experience is subpar. Multitasking is cumbrous enough that it might as well not exist, multi-display setups can only mirror at a fixed aspect ratio, it lacks multiple user profiles requiring a family to be under a single user, and the few apps that take advantage of the keyboard/trackpad are nowhere similar to their desktop counterparts. Take Excel for…

My thoughts exactly. Apple might have the apps, but actually getting stuff done on it feels cumbersome and strange. I'm not sure why they continue to stretch the iPad in so many directions when they could just be focusing on a good tablet experience.

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by mulmen »

formercoder wrote: post #81
mulmen wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have zero interest in using a worse laptop. Touch screens are an anti-feature. For decades we have tried as an industry to do touch interfaces on “real” computers and it’s always horrible because it’s not actually a thing worth doing. With M1 Macs being a thing I have no idea what benefits an iPad offers.

Touch isn’t great but styluses are for those of us that work on presentations.

That’s a fair point. It’s not something I need so I don’t consider it. But if I need a stylus I don’t want to involve a desktop environment. The whole unified os/one-device thing is unworkable IMHO. Just have a laptop and a tablet if that’s what you need. Let the tools excel in their role instead of making a ton of compromises.

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by randomsearch »

cletus wrote: post #99

And... no Touch ID (unlike the iPad Air) [1][2]. I recently bought the iPad Air after having the iPad Pro and hating Face ID on it. It's bad enough that I have Face ID on my iPhone. I hate it so much. Face ID is such a terrible UX that has caused me to enter my passcode to unlock more times a day than I care to count. Even if you ignore the fact that they don't work with masks, it's still a bad idea. The false negati…

Touch ID doesn’t work for me, doesn’t recognise my fingers most of the time.

Die, Touch ID.

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by astrange »

jolux wrote: post #31
ksubedi wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While that makes sense, Apple's recent changes with the iPad Keyboard case adding a trackpad makes me think that they might have something else brewing for the long term. Time will tell, but I would love to see more MacOS applications like XCode become available on the iPad. Edit: Also the fact that MacOS has been changing the UI to make it more touch friendly, for example: new control center.

Plus the Big Sur interface changes seem to be touch-oriented. They made a lot of pointer targets much bigger than they used to be, and added a new special window type for modals.

https://sixcolors.com/link/2020/11/craig-federighi-says-touc...

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by volta83 »

mulmen wrote: post #87
volta83 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The macbook air screen is ok, its webcam is horrible, it doesn't have a touch screen, so you can't use it as a "digital blackboard" for remote work, and it can't use multiple monitors. The iPad has a great front camera, great screen, great touch screen and Apple Pen, yet is software-handicapped to prevent professional use. I guess Apples' goal is for people to buy both, but I've been on the market for a new "work dev…

In the last year of remote work I have not missed whiteboard collaboration at all. My team just got better at writing docs and generating diagrams with dedicated tooling.

I use it every day. A 10 second drawings saves me 5 minutes of talking every time.

Colleagues that don't have this capability at home give the impression that they are wasting everbody elses time, to the point that they draw on a piece of paper and hang it infront of the camera instead.

Also, this pretty much completely disqualifies them for doing things like, e.g., "interviews", which restricts their career development.

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by fastball »

mulmen wrote: post #68
Spartan-S63 wrote: post #13

It'll be interesting to see if iPadOS 15 steps us any closer to laptop/desktop class usage. The biggest thing holding back iPad from being a real laptop replacement for so many is the software. It's also not as simple as porting macOS to iPad. I get Apple's hesitancy from a usability and a product cannibalization standpoint, but it's time they step things forward.

I have zero interest in using a worse laptop. Touch screens are an anti-feature. For decades we have tried as an industry to do touch interfaces on “real” computers and it’s always horrible because it’s not actually a thing worth doing. With M1 Macs being a thing I have no idea what benefits an iPad offers.

"Touch screens are an anti-feature" – I guess you don't have a smartphone then?

The benefit is obvious: if you were the kind of person that previously had a laptop and an iPad (iPads / touch screens are nice for all sorts of things, esp. for say artists), then an optimal solution would be a device you can use as both. An iPad Pro that could run macOS and have a keyboard case with trackpad seems ideal.

Or if you're the kind of person that only has an iPad (my mom), it might be useful to sometimes have more flexibility than it provides, even though she does't need it 99% of the time.

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by f6v »

smasher164 wrote: post #46

To me, it doesn't matter how powerful the iPad is if the software experience is subpar. Multitasking is cumbrous enough that it might as well not exist, multi-display setups can only mirror at a fixed aspect ratio, it lacks multiple user profiles requiring a family to be under a single user, and the few apps that take advantage of the keyboard/trackpad are nowhere similar to their desktop counterparts. Take Excel for…

I'm still skeptical that Apple wants it to be a general-purpose computer.

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by swiley »

smasher164 wrote: post #46

To me, it doesn't matter how powerful the iPad is if the software experience is subpar. Multitasking is cumbrous enough that it might as well not exist, multi-display setups can only mirror at a fixed aspect ratio, it lacks multiple user profiles requiring a family to be under a single user, and the few apps that take advantage of the keyboard/trackpad are nowhere similar to their desktop counterparts. Take Excel for…

This is something I've been saying: Try cloning and building even a moderate project from github on iSH on the latest iThing with Apple silicon and compare the same on a pinephone with a decade old budget SoC.

One will get painfully hot and visibly tick through a large fraction of the battery while not letting you look at anything else or look away from the screen without killing the 10s of minutes long operation while the other just does what you asked, does it quickly, and lets you do other things (on the phone or not) while it's working. And of course if there's something you don't like about the OS you can just change it on the phone. No need for some crazy setup process even to modify system software/configurations.

You might say it's not fair because iSH isn't running natively but it's your only choice on the iPhone.

EDIT: to be clear: even just running git clone on an iPhone in iSH can take upwards of 20 minutes and chew through ~20% of the battery on normal sized repos.

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by monkmartinez »

aosaigh wrote: post #91
speedgoose wrote: post #19

I wish the iPad pro was not such a locked down operating system. I just want to run a web browser that is not safari, and visual studio code.

You can run Chrome and Firefox on an iPad.

Its not the real Chrome or Firefox. The iPad version is not even close to the real thing on MacOS or Win10.
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