I feel like im talking to the borg • Hacker News Board

Re: I feel like im talking to the borg

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Post by imgabe » Fri, Aug 16, 2019, 1:43 PM UTC

stnmtn wrote: post #345

imgabe wrote: post #336

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By all means, complain. Complain to the perpetrators of the injustice and complain to the government that is supposed to regulate them. Don't complain to the victims that they are not acting sufficiently victim-like to confirm your preconceived notions of what their lives are like based on that 10 minute John Oliver segment you watched.

I mean the people she's complaining to are part of the problem, they are people who are being paid to post pro-amazon content on twitter that share accounts, most likely using something like sprinklr. If these were real people just saying this, then sure, but you can not actually look at this exchange and think amazon doesn't come out looking even worse.

They are real people unless you mean they're AI bots, in which case harassing them is even more pointless. They have zero ability to effect any of the changes she is complaining about. This is the equivalent of yelling at a customer service rep. It's not going to get you anything you want and it just makes you look like an asshole.

Re: I feel like im talking to the borg

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Post by basscomm » Fri, Aug 16, 2019, 2:09 PM UTC

titanomachy wrote: post #247

basscomm wrote: post #207

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>>so they’re paying you to tweet that you like your job, which is tweeting about liking your job...lol yes!! you are paid to say that you like your job. it’s your job! >This is very likely false, and she is actively ignoring people who are saying it is false. She's technically correct in the same way that it's technically correct to say that if I take a restroom break while on the clock that I'm getting paid to use t…

Some ambasssador in the thread says she tweets two days and works in the warehouse two days. So it's not really comparable to using the bathroom.

Let me put this another way:

If, during the course of doing my job, someone asks me if I like doing my job and I say, "yes", it would technically be correct to say that I was paid for saying that I like my job (since I'm being paid for doing all the things that I do while on the clock it's also technically correct to say that I was paid for tying my shoes or talking to a coworker about some movie if I did those things during a shift). That does not necessarily mean that one of my job duties is telling people how much I like my job.

Re: I feel like im talking to the borg

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Post by GarrisonPrime » Sat, Aug 17, 2019, 1:26 AM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #274

username90 wrote: post #165

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If a company is bad you can just switch to another company, if a powerful union is bad you'd have to switch to another industry.

Or convince other employees in your workplace that that union is bad and decertify them (perhaps replacing them with a new union that you and your coworkers form, either independently or affiliated with a better parent union.)

How is that easier than convincing the employer? Seems much harder, especially since the middle-men have a vested interest in perpetuating any problems.

Re: I feel like im talking to the borg

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Post by justusthane » Sun, Aug 18, 2019, 6:16 PM UTC

PHL4_Austin wrote: post #356

justusthane wrote: post #278

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I do believe they are actual fulfillment center employees like they say. What's astonishing to me is that Amazon thought this was actually a good idea.

I think this program was a great idea because it gives Amazon a chance to defend itself by letting the people who have been accused of slave labor, speak for themselves about it. It lets the general public see the opinions of actual employees who work in fulfillment centers for Amazon.

My point was that the optics of it are terrible, as evidenced by the linked thread.

Re: I feel like im talking to the borg

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Post by laughinghan » Mon, Aug 19, 2019, 6:04 PM UTC

decoyworker wrote: post #379

laughinghan wrote: post #353

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"really like? cause your workers are liars?" is not an ad hominem attack, it's contradicting you by pointing to evidence. Eyewitness testimony, by your workers contradicting you, is evidence.

The title of this post is an ad hominem. It's an insult/joke that adds nothing to the discussion. Saying someone sounds like the Borg isn't an insult?

Thank you for explaining, that makes a lot more sense, I see how you could interpret it that way. But no, I think you're misinterpreting. For example, if I said "why are you being so slow?", that could seem like an insult, since "slow" can mean "stupid". However, if the context is that we're playing a game and you keep taking forever on your turn, then "slow" isn't an insult, it's a literal observation.

In this case, compare the thread to a normal conversation. A normal conversation consists of a long chain of alternating messages by two people, comparing and contrasting their two different points of view. This "conversation" consists of a long chain of the original poster expressing their point of view and then a different "FC Ambassador" replying each time, all expressing the same contrasting point of view.

Compare that conversation to the first 1 minute of this clip: https://youtu.be/ZsBz_Q62hHk?t=10

It's just a literal observation, not an insult.

(Technically that's Unity from Rick & Morty; I couldn't find a clip of the original Borg from Star Trek doing this.)

Re: I feel like im talking to the borg

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Post by laughinghan » Mon, Aug 19, 2019, 6:17 PM UTC

greedo wrote: post #364

laughinghan wrote: post #350

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Wow, that's terrible. What exactly happens to the supervisor, and what exactly does he do to all of you? What do you think could be done to make this situation better? I wonder if something different, maybe more serious needs to happen to the supervisor for getting a low rating? Or I guess the issue is, he gets to retaliate for a whole quarter and your opportunity to ding him further won't be until 3 months later. Ma…

Well he doesn't really get a low rating. The questions (coming from Gallup I assume) are vague enough that if you answer fairly at all, no one would get a 5 across the board. He gets roughly 4.5 on average, but they compare each category to previous surveys. He doesn't really punish/retaliate so much as make us have a team meeting where we discuss the survey, and then we have to come up with solutions. The surveys ar…

Dang. I wonder if either there could be an anonymous feedback channel to the supervisor, or a meeting could be arranged (with the supervisor's knowledge, so they don't feel like it's behind their back) that specifically excludes the supervisor where people could discuss what changes they would like, including to the supervisor's behavior, that would conclude with the group agreeing on someone to explain to the supervisor what changes they collectively want.

Re: I feel like im talking to the borg

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Post by tehjoker » Mon, Aug 19, 2019, 11:55 PM UTC

manigandham wrote: post #108

tehjoker wrote: post #94

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My guess would be that it would be because the member is trying to cut an individual deal on a group problem. This is how the capitalist class practices divide and conquer.

What is the "capitalist class"?

In my comment, I meant the people that give the orders versus the people who must accept them.