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Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by rzzzt »

dcrazy wrote: post #345
rzzzt wrote: post #146

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"Arguable, since you just loose security over /root, which is not a big deal if someone already gained access to your machine, at least for me." It doesn't render for me either, but is in the HTML at path... .../html/body/div/div/main/div[3]/div[6]/div/div[2]/div/p Edit: SIP has a series of control bits for a diverse set of protections. You can see what these control (and which bits "csrutil disable" toggles) in this…

The link or the footnote itself doesn’t render for you? It renders on mobile Safari, just by scrolling to the bottom of the page.

The footnotes appear to the left of the main body of text around the position they appear in (viewing in a desktop browser). The article has grown a third note in the meantime and these are all visible now.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by lstodd »

coldtea wrote: post #370
lstodd wrote: post #358

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You, and sibling comment author just never experienced the truly responsive ui. It is one where reaction is under a single frame from action. EDIT: and frame is 1/60s, that is 16.(6)ms. I feel bad feeling I have to mention this basic fact. This was possible on 1980s hardware. I witnessed that, I used that. Why is it not possible now?

I've used 1980s hardware. In the 80s. And used UNIX and HP/Sun/SGI/etc hardware since the 90s. Not only it was no "truly responsive", nothing opened in a "single frame" (talking about X Windows). Took way longer then 1-2 seconds to open a browser on a blank page for example, and for many programs you saw them slowly drawing.

And I did. And it did. Like, Amiga, even 500 models.

I do not doubt X was horrible from that pov. I remember R5. This is not that I meant.

edit: there were no web browsers back then. the effin "folder browser" opens slower on my xfce4 than the same in an a1200 emulator in a window next to it. this is sad.

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Post by thunderfork »

duskdozer wrote: post #312
yourapostasy wrote: post #306

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> Regardless of OS, they all seem extremely fast, and feel faster and faster as time goes on. The modern throughput is faster by far. However, what some people mean when they talk about "slower" is the latency snappiness that characterizes early microcomputer systems. That has definitely gotten way worse in an empirically measurable fashion. Dan Luu's article explains this very well [1]. It is difficult today to go t…

I wonder if this ties into why I'm baffled at the increasing trend of adding fake delays (f/ex "view transitions"). It's maddening to me. It's generally not a masking/performance delay either; I've recompiled a number of android apps for example to remove these sorts of things, and some actions that took an entire second to complete previously happen instantly after modification.

A really annoying thing I've run into is that lots of libraries/frameworks/etc will have shortcuts to introduce this delay, to avoid "pop-in" of lazy-loaded stuff.

Like, yeah, pop-in looks a little weird, but suddenly APIs are making that one Mass Effect elevator into a first-class feature...

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by halapro »

zarzavat wrote: post #343
halapro wrote: post #258

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SIP protects the OS, not you nor your files. If you run third party software that can run `rm` of course you're vulnerable to data loss. Apples and oranges. SIP guarantees that you will be able to turn on your computer in safe mode and remove the malware, whereas without it your OS is toast.

Yes but it's the files that are the important part. If I had malware then the fate of the hardware is at the bottom of my priority list, I'm probably going to be replacing it anyway. I'd be more concerned that someone is going to steal my AWS credentials to run a cryptominer and I get a bill for hundreds of thousands of dollars! The only solution to malware is to not install it in the first place. By the time SIP is…

> The only solution to malware is to not install it in the first place.

You have zero software downloaded from the internet currently running on your machine? How do you know you don't have a rootkit installed without SIP?

Anyway, all I meant is that SIP has nothing to do with protecting your data so even mentioning it is kind of off topic.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by troad »

saagarjha wrote: post #301
troad wrote: post #245

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So does Mac: https://support.apple.com/en-us/guide/mac-help/mchl9674d0b0/... . Obnoxiously, it's part of the recent trend of overloading the Globe/Fn key, so it's hard to do with third-party keyboards.

Can you not change the shortcut?

You can, I believe, but I often need to move between computers so I try not to mess with shortcuts too much (or go down keyboard layout rabbit holes, etc).

Saner defaults would be better.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by beAbU »

amarant wrote: post #16

I must say that all this fuzz about the corners actually reflects rather well on macos. If the biggest flaw of a OS is the border radius of its windows, you've got yourself a pretty decent OS! It's not gonna make me leave my darling Linux, ofc, but i think this whole debacle can only be interpreted as praise. On second thought, it might also be considered a mediation on people's tendency to bike-shed.

How horrible and hacky must your underlying OS subsystems be if you can't even get consistent corner radii for all windows?

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by jtesp »

how are people not seeing what is going on? they are inching the unified ui towards visionOS & spatial computing. and so corners need to have a much larger hit box and stuff needs to be visible (liquid glass) over a backdrop yet not a huge distracting obstruction. this is a slow transition away from the mouse to the finger as the primary input and the static wallpaper background to your living room and surrounding atmosphere. and so when the time comes it will be familiar and natural to use. just imagine what they are doing in the lab. i believe these decisions are intentional even with some flawed execution

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by jyounker »

master-lincoln wrote: post #319
justonceokay wrote: post #160

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Well sure we can compare it to niche OS like Linux or vaporware. But without comparison then we probably aren’t taking into account the real life complexity of a desktop OS. As a related anecdote, my friend said my car was ugly. I asked him what cars he thought looked good. He said “I don’t like cars”. As a result I realized his opinion was worthless

Calling linux niche is funny. Most used OS on the planet. I guess you are only interested in the desktop looks part which on Linux is done by different window managers (like KDE, Gnome, Sway, ...) which can compete with MacOS in my view. I was recently forced to switch from Gnome to MacOS Tahoe and the UX is so bad it's frustrating. Mission Control has no features apart from switching windows it seems (can not close…

On the desktop, yes, niche. [There are things like Android with a Linux kernel that I wouldn't call Linux in the sense of a full OS.]
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