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Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by red_admiral »

ablob wrote: post #46
amarant wrote: post #16

I must say that all this fuzz about the corners actually reflects rather well on macos. If the biggest flaw of a OS is the border radius of its windows, you've got yourself a pretty decent OS! It's not gonna make me leave my darling Linux, ofc, but i think this whole debacle can only be interpreted as praise. On second thought, it might also be considered a mediation on people's tendency to bike-shed.

> If the biggest flaw of a OS is the border radius of its windows, you've got yourself a pretty decent OS! This argument would also make Windows 11 a pretty decent OS by extension via "If the biggest flaw of a OS is the position of the start menu you've got yourself a pretty decent OS". In general I could use any minor nuisance as a proof of decency - or inject some to form this argument on purpose as a manufacturer.…

For Windows, you also have an ad, an AI, or both appearing in every other app.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by duskdozer »

yourapostasy wrote: post #306
root_axis wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Computers have been running thousands of times slower than they should be for decades I've been hearing this complaint for decades and I'll never understand it. The suggestion seems completely at odds with my own experience. Regardless of OS, they all seem extremely fast, and feel faster and faster as time goes on. I remember a time when I could visually see the screen repaint after minimizing a window, or waiting…

> Regardless of OS, they all seem extremely fast, and feel faster and faster as time goes on. The modern throughput is faster by far. However, what some people mean when they talk about "slower" is the latency snappiness that characterizes early microcomputer systems. That has definitely gotten way worse in an empirically measurable fashion. Dan Luu's article explains this very well [1]. It is difficult today to go t…

I wonder if this ties into why I'm baffled at the increasing trend of adding fake delays (f/ex "view transitions"). It's maddening to me. It's generally not a masking/performance delay either; I've recompiled a number of android apps for example to remove these sorts of things, and some actions that took an entire second to complete previously happen instantly after modification.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by duskdozer »

red_admiral wrote: post #309

Not a mac user here - why can't you use the same method to set the corner radius to 0.1 or something and effectively turn of the roundness, but without root?

>The reason why you need to disable SIP, is that to edit the dynamic libraries that system apps like Safari (which has crazy bad corners) use, you need to edit system libraries that exist the root.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by jclardy »

root_axis wrote: post #262
zackmorris wrote: post #89

Not to mention that WindowServer seems to take 100+% cpu since the upgrade. Also I can't paste filenames in the save file dialog in some apps. And the URL field in Safari is just weird. My computer was running so slowly that I had to minimize transparency in system preferences somewhere. I think I also turned off opening every app in its own space. And I hid the icons on the Desktop in Finder settings somehow, which…

> Computers have been running thousands of times slower than they should be for decades I've been hearing this complaint for decades and I'll never understand it. The suggestion seems completely at odds with my own experience. Regardless of OS, they all seem extremely fast, and feel faster and faster as time goes on. I remember a time when I could visually see the screen repaint after minimizing a window, or waiting…

I think the best example is in iOS. On old iOS versions, the keyboard responsiveness took precedence over everything, no matter what. If you touched the keyboard, it would respond with an animation indicating what you are doing. The app itself may be frozen, but the self contained keyboard process would continue on, letting you know the app you are using is a buggy mess.

Now in iOS 26, you can just be typing in Notes or just the safari address bar for example, and the keyboard will randomly lag behind and freeze, likely because it is waiting on some autocomplete task to run on the keyboard process itself. And this is on top of the line, modern hardware.

A lot of the fundamentals that were focused on in the past to ensure responsiveness to user input was never lost, became lost. And lost for no real good reason, other than lazy development practices, unnecessary abstraction layers, and other modern developer conveniences.

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Post by epcoa »

zackmorris wrote: post #89

Not to mention that WindowServer seems to take 100+% cpu since the upgrade. Also I can't paste filenames in the save file dialog in some apps. And the URL field in Safari is just weird. My computer was running so slowly that I had to minimize transparency in system preferences somewhere. I think I also turned off opening every app in its own space. And I hid the icons on the Desktop in Finder settings somehow, which…

> I'm cautiously optimistic that AI will let us build full operating systems using other OSs as working examples.

Why? No one has shown that LLMs produce particularly good code. You can get a lot of useful shit done with what is still slop, but there is no reason to believe there's any evolutionary improvement.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by duskdozer »

al_borland wrote: post #184
ezst wrote: post #177

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I don't understand how we keep hearing so often here about Apple OSes being so amazingly simple, approachable and cleverly designed with a lot of attention paid to detail, while every practical productivity advice involves some undiscoverable trick, or combinations of tricks, that seems so arbitrary and obtuse. I don't like Mac, in large parts because of that. No amount of marketing and peer pressure will convince me…

Every system has its issues. It's really a question of which issues you can live with and which system ultimately fits your workflow best. After I got used to working in windows instead of full screen all the time, I can't really go back. Even on Windows I find myself working the way I do on macOS. Full screening every app made more sense on a 1024x768 screen (or smaller). Once I moved to a widescreen display (which…

This is just that things are (poorly) designed now as mobile-only and not even mobile-first.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by basilikum »

duskdozer wrote: post #312
yourapostasy wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Regardless of OS, they all seem extremely fast, and feel faster and faster as time goes on. The modern throughput is faster by far. However, what some people mean when they talk about "slower" is the latency snappiness that characterizes early microcomputer systems. That has definitely gotten way worse in an empirically measurable fashion. Dan Luu's article explains this very well [1]. It is difficult today to go t…

I wonder if this ties into why I'm baffled at the increasing trend of adding fake delays (f/ex "view transitions"). It's maddening to me. It's generally not a masking/performance delay either; I've recompiled a number of android apps for example to remove these sorts of things, and some actions that took an entire second to complete previously happen instantly after modification.

Have you tried disabling animations in the System Settings? Some apps respond to that.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by master-lincoln »

justonceokay wrote: post #160
intrasight wrote: post #155

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> compared to Windows I never said that

Well sure we can compare it to niche OS like Linux or vaporware. But without comparison then we probably aren’t taking into account the real life complexity of a desktop OS. As a related anecdote, my friend said my car was ugly. I asked him what cars he thought looked good. He said “I don’t like cars”. As a result I realized his opinion was worthless

Calling linux niche is funny. Most used OS on the planet.

I guess you are only interested in the desktop looks part which on Linux is done by different window managers (like KDE, Gnome, Sway, ...) which can compete with MacOS in my view.

I was recently forced to switch from Gnome to MacOS Tahoe and the UX is so bad it's frustrating. Mission Control has no features apart from switching windows it seems (can not close windows, not change dock icons which all works on Gnome). Password fields often have no option to view the cleartext entered. This is especially confusing because symbols that I used daily are suddenly not printed on my keyboard anymore and I have to memorize shortcuts to enter them. In finder I see no way to go to the parent folder, isn't that something people on macs do? It just feels like it's years behind open source alternatives...

Concerning your car story: have you tried other Operating systems? Otherwise your opinion might be worthless here...

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