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Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by steve1977 »

justonceokay wrote: post #152
intrasight wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree as it shows a fundamental flaw in terms of separation of concerns that's probably manifest throughout the operating system. Or to stay it another way, if we see shit like this then we know the whole thing is a hack.

That’s funny to call Mac OS a hack compared to windows. Now windows is trying to be backward compatible with DOS and that’s… something. But when we read blog posts explaining why things are how they are in windows i always get the heebie jeebies.

I know it's popular to shit on Windows (and often it's even justified), however DOS compatibility is long gone. It was still available in 32 bit Windows 10, but not in 64 bit versions.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by _kidlike »

noisy_boy wrote: post #255
ddtaylor wrote: post #195

I have never been happier to be a long time Linux user. Our systems are working significantly better than ever before and I have personally converted more people to Linux in the last year than the 15 years before that.

Particularly KDE. They have had some ups and downs but finally they have built a great foundation with Plasma and Plasma dark mode with Breeze is such a great balance of flexibility and fairly consistent look and feel. I stuck around with Gnome for too long in the name of simplicity but once you appreciate that Plasma gets out of your way once things are exactly how you want it, I have come to appreciate not having t…

Plasma has been a bit buggy since v6 :(

they tried to do something with remembering "how you left things" between sessions, and even when disabled things are still weird...

Also some power management related hooks are not working as well as before. Like if you put the computer to sleep at night, and wake it up in the morning, the automatic dark-to-light theme switch doesn't trigger. at least not always.

Still the best system to work with though!

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by steve1977 »

alpaca128 wrote: post #223
amarant wrote: post #16

I must say that all this fuzz about the corners actually reflects rather well on macos. If the biggest flaw of a OS is the border radius of its windows, you've got yourself a pretty decent OS! It's not gonna make me leave my darling Linux, ofc, but i think this whole debacle can only be interpreted as praise. On second thought, it might also be considered a mediation on people's tendency to bike-shed.

The border radius would be less jarring if the UI was actually designed for it. But it just cuts off elements like the scrollbar, which looks quite janky.

Yeah there's even first party applications like Logic Pro where the rounded corners cut off text.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by leptons »

NwtnsMthd wrote: post #28
amarant wrote: post #16

I must say that all this fuzz about the corners actually reflects rather well on macos. If the biggest flaw of a OS is the border radius of its windows, you've got yourself a pretty decent OS! It's not gonna make me leave my darling Linux, ofc, but i think this whole debacle can only be interpreted as praise. On second thought, it might also be considered a mediation on people's tendency to bike-shed.

It's not the biggest flaw, there are plenty others, but it does seem to be universally disliked. For example, there is not much you could do to Finder to make it worse.

Finder used to suck. I mean, it still sucks, but it used to suck too.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by leptons »

mikey_p wrote: post #30
amarant wrote: post #16

I must say that all this fuzz about the corners actually reflects rather well on macos. If the biggest flaw of a OS is the border radius of its windows, you've got yourself a pretty decent OS! It's not gonna make me leave my darling Linux, ofc, but i think this whole debacle can only be interpreted as praise. On second thought, it might also be considered a mediation on people's tendency to bike-shed.

On the other hand the fact that it sometimes makes it hard to resize windows means that it breaks something that Apple operating systems have been capable of doing without issue for nearly 45 years.

It took decades before Apple finally let windows be resized from any side. For so many years the bottom right corner was the only way to resize a window. Their window system has always been crap.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by kalleboo »

zackmorris wrote: post #89

Not to mention that WindowServer seems to take 100+% cpu since the upgrade. Also I can't paste filenames in the save file dialog in some apps. And the URL field in Safari is just weird. My computer was running so slowly that I had to minimize transparency in system preferences somewhere. I think I also turned off opening every app in its own space. And I hid the icons on the Desktop in Finder settings somehow, which…

kernel_task using 100% is the system thermally throttling and the OS spamming NOPs to cool the CPU down

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by edelhans »

ymolodtsov wrote: post #181
haunter wrote: post #57

I usually use Linux and Windows (pretty much split 50/50) and tbh this is why I never could switch to Mac full time even though I've have had and still have several Macs at home. The full screen beahavior is weird. Is the dock should overlay every single window all the time? If not then why is the dock not hidden by default? If yes then full screen is actually "maximum size app window without overlaying the dock"? Wh…

Apps and windows things is actually great though if you learn yo use it and don't disable minimizing windows to the dock

I keep jearing this but after years of using MacOS Is still hate the windowing behavior. There is already a way for windowless apps to run - its in the top right corner of my menu bar. Why not use this if you _really_ need windowless apps to run in the background? Also dont get me started on window switching...

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by dealfinder994 »

zackmorris wrote: post #89

Not to mention that WindowServer seems to take 100+% cpu since the upgrade. Also I can't paste filenames in the save file dialog in some apps. And the URL field in Safari is just weird. My computer was running so slowly that I had to minimize transparency in system preferences somewhere. I think I also turned off opening every app in its own space. And I hid the icons on the Desktop in Finder settings somehow, which…

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Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by DeathArrow »

zackmorris wrote: post #89

Not to mention that WindowServer seems to take 100+% cpu since the upgrade. Also I can't paste filenames in the save file dialog in some apps. And the URL field in Safari is just weird. My computer was running so slowly that I had to minimize transparency in system preferences somewhere. I think I also turned off opening every app in its own space. And I hid the icons on the Desktop in Finder settings somehow, which…

>I'm cautiously optimistic that AI will let us build full operating systems using other OSs as working examples.

Even if that would be possible, you can't run commercial software. And for many people, the software they run is more important than the OS.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by DeathArrow »

At some point in time, Apple used nice software to be able to sell expensive but mediocre hardware.

Now they sell expensive but nice hardware and they have mediocre software.

It seems you can only choose one out of three, nice hardware, nice software, good price. Apple is always choosing high price, and they either gave customers nice hardware or nice software, but not both.

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