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California Approves Waymo Expansion to Los Angeles and SF Peninsula [pdf]

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Re: California Approves Waymo Expansion to Los Angeles and SF Peninsula [pdf]

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Post by sagarm »

wavefunction wrote: post #363
jessriedel wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have tried many variations out, but so far they don't seem to think they work better than doing nothing. The only communication the Waymo's currently do it to signal that they are stopping for pedestrians, both to the pedestrians themselves and also to the cars behind. https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/13/23913251/waymo-roof-dome...

Even if the cars had a "I'm currently deciding" indicator it would be a major improvement. My only issue with these sorts of anti-socialized services is not being able to promptly and easily sue for remedy. Maybe a blood price on a few mid-level managers (or possibly higher depending on the situation) if the service ends up killing people. That would put my heart at mind in the marketplace of the future.

Maybe we can start with putting a blood price on human drivers, since they have direct culpability?

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Post by CalRobert »

timeagain wrote: post #156
SeanAnderson wrote: post #103

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A recent Uber driver of mine encountered bay bridge traffic, said, "I know a shortcut!" and veered out of the line waiting to enter the bridge. Then, Uber Safety called my phone asking if everything was alright. Then, the driver realized he didn't know where I was trying to go, asked me, realized I needed to go to Oakland, and spent 10+ minutes going in a slow circle to get back to the line of traffic. A few drives l…

This is misanthropic tech vision at its finest. I got a job recommendation from an Uber driver. My aunt (against TOS) built a private driver business based on her personality after driving Lyft from the airport. I had a great conversation with a Somalian driver who’s favorite music artist was Dolly Parton. Once a driver saved me from a hairy situation with an irate customer who was chasing me and throwing things, I t…

And how many people are killed by taxi or Uber drivers? Their stories matter too. If you're a pedestrian or cyclist you quickly realize how dangerous "professional" drivers are.

Re: California Approves Waymo Expansion to Los Angeles and SF Peninsula [pdf]

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Post by CalRobert »

hacker_newz wrote: post #59
ra7 wrote: post #51

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Just the safe driving alone is a big improvement. Every time I get into an Uber, I hope and pray the driver isn’t aggressive and erratic. You always know what you’re going to get with a Waymo. Plus, nice and clean Jaguar I-Pace vehicles. No person to talk to and no tipping.

You trust an entity you can't interact with over a human being?

Yes

Re: California Approves Waymo Expansion to Los Angeles and SF Peninsula [pdf]

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Post by CalRobert »

lolinder wrote: post #139
deprecative wrote: post #72

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It's pedantic to most, I'm sure. Just FYI, though, antisocial is to be opposed to society - like Timothy McVeigh. Asocial is probably what you're looking for.

You're not just being pedantic, you're also wrong [0][1][2][3]. Their usage is 100% standard and is encoded in every dictionary I can find, and etymonline lists it as the original definition dating back to 1797 [4], with "hostile to social order or norms" first recorded a few years later. [0] https://www.dictionary.com/browse/antisocial [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/antisocial [2] https://dictionary.…

Usage seems different between US and UK. I didn't understand ASBOs at first since I thought "what's wrong with teens wanting some alone time?"

Re: California Approves Waymo Expansion to Los Angeles and SF Peninsula [pdf]

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Post by nextaccountic »

sagarm wrote: post #371
wavefunction wrote: post #363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if the cars had a "I'm currently deciding" indicator it would be a major improvement. My only issue with these sorts of anti-socialized services is not being able to promptly and easily sue for remedy. Maybe a blood price on a few mid-level managers (or possibly higher depending on the situation) if the service ends up killing people. That would put my heart at mind in the marketplace of the future.

Maybe we can start with putting a blood price on human drivers, since they have direct culpability?

When a human driver is negligent or reckless, they don't potentially endanger millions of people at once. So there's a difference

Re: California Approves Waymo Expansion to Los Angeles and SF Peninsula [pdf]

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Post by mckn1ght »

foota wrote: post #354
fragmede wrote: post #348

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Let's say the Waymo cars are $1 million each, which is probably high, given than a fully loaded i-Pace is $80k, which still leaves $920,000 for Google/Waymo devices and software costs to get to $1 million. Given the estimate for a human life at $7.4 million[1], I think they are. [1] https://www.epa.gov/environmental-economics/mortality-risk-v...

You could pay someone California's minimum wage 24/7 for 140,000 a year.

Labor cost pretty much always increases while the cost of research technology decreases once it encounters economies of scale.

A car today at the admittedly high cost estimate of $1M will “pay itself off” versus your labor estimate in less than 8 years. Humans don’t get paid off and then work for free afterwards.

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Post by stouset »

cj wrote: post #263
_acco wrote: post #117

I love Waymo and use it all the time. One aspect I'd still like to see them figure out: As a bike commuter, I share the road with Waymo often. When cycling, you're always checking the eyes of other drivers to confirm if they see you. I've had a couple incidents where I was a little thrown/unnerved because I couldn't confirm if a Waymo was registering me. It ultimately behaved fine, but I had to put my guard way up be…

Ditto as a motorcyclist. Making eye contact with drivers makes riding a lot easier. You know they see you.

As a motorcycle I have been pleasantly surprised by the fact that they always seem to see me and give way when lane splitting.

I was very harsh about the extremely poor interactions with Cruise, but I have yet to see anything to sour me with Waymo.

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Post by krisoft »

wavefunction wrote: post #363
jessriedel wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have tried many variations out, but so far they don't seem to think they work better than doing nothing. The only communication the Waymo's currently do it to signal that they are stopping for pedestrians, both to the pedestrians themselves and also to the cars behind. https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/13/23913251/waymo-roof-dome...

Even if the cars had a "I'm currently deciding" indicator it would be a major improvement. My only issue with these sorts of anti-socialized services is not being able to promptly and easily sue for remedy. Maybe a blood price on a few mid-level managers (or possibly higher depending on the situation) if the service ends up killing people. That would put my heart at mind in the marketplace of the future.

> My only issue with these sorts of anti-socialized services is not being able to promptly and easily sue for remedy.

What do you mean by that? Do you think if their cars hurt someone or cause damage to property you can't sue them? What is the basis of this belief?

Re: California Approves Waymo Expansion to Los Angeles and SF Peninsula [pdf]

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Post by pavlov »

_acco wrote: post #117

I love Waymo and use it all the time. One aspect I'd still like to see them figure out: As a bike commuter, I share the road with Waymo often. When cycling, you're always checking the eyes of other drivers to confirm if they see you. I've had a couple incidents where I was a little thrown/unnerved because I couldn't confirm if a Waymo was registering me. It ultimately behaved fine, but I had to put my guard way up be…

In the now defunct Apple Car, the windshield exterior was a giant OLED that rendered weird big eyes using the same code as on the Vision Pro. Apparently Johnny Ive insisted on this expensive external screen to make the car feel more human.

(Not really. But you never know?)

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