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Why are those mutually exclusive?
He's asking because he wants to sexually harass and assault women, and he wants to know if there's an official policy against it.
I’m gay.
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#373I suspect Caesar's dropped DEF CON because the DEF CON attendees likely have a fairly low "avg revenue per attendee" yield because fewer of them gamble compared to the avg Vegas conference attendee. They also probably spend less on high-end restaurant dining and bar drinking inside the hotel. Since the pandemic Vegas has had a pretty strong resurgence in general and this may be a sign that Caesar's is doing well enou…
Or they figured they're somehow net negative when they do gamble :D
anyone who thinks they can beat the house has already lost 99.9999% of the time, vegas has it down to an art...
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#374You know, why the fuck is DEFCON in August, in Vegas? Like, you know a nice place to visit in August? Kodiak, Alaska. Portsmouth, Maine. Sydney. List of places I would never want to visit in August? Vegas. Houston. Vegas. New Orleans. Vegas. Mumbai? Maybe. Baghdad? Definitely not. Also, Vegas. My friends in Christ, why, does anyone, think Vegas is a good idea in August?
Vegas is great in August. It might be super hot but it's also dry. Whenever I go out to DEF CON, I take a day to go out quadding around the desert and shoot some guns outdoors. The whole damn strip is air conditioned and misted so it's not really a problem. A few years back I participated in a scavenger hunt during DEF CON and it was taxing but I would do it again. New Orleans is hell on earth that time of year thoug…
> New Orleans is hell on earth that time of year though -- never again.
I thought the same until visiting Kyoto and Rome in August.
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#375This may be a blessing in disguise. DEF CON has grown massively to the point where the number of attendees who want to go to the various villages all day equals or even surpasses the attendees interested in the main talks. However, those villages have historically been given very small spaces. This past DEF CON, the Cloud Securitt village had a line down the hallway and escalator pretty much all of Friday and Saturda…
I would say the blessing isn't even in disguise. I've gone twice, in 2017 and last year, and last year the crowds in the main hallways and village lines were suffocating and I'm not usually claustrophobic. An extra couple of hundred thousand square feet is a big deal and should have happened regardless. I just feel bad for the folks who have to make it happen in 7 months.
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Black hat is just one giant bunch of sales pitches. No I haven't been there but I've had to sift through recordings that my boss (who did attend) wanted me to look at because he was too drunk himself to do a proper evaluation. It doesn't provide information, it just provides sales suits a chance to blow their hot air :P If I'd ever go there it would just be an excuse to go to vegas to see DEF CON as well :P I work in…
if we're going with hot takes, I've watched a lot of DefCon vids and many presenters come off as outlandish arrogant. not simply smug, more "I am levitating above the normies."
That's not specific to presenters; there's a lot of insecurity (no pun intended) on parade in this industry. The sort of people who can bridge air-gapped networks using bubblegum and popsicle sticks tend not to minor in human relations.
Just read it as showmanship. They're trying to be over the top for the sake of performance.
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IIRC EVO only moved because they outgrew the space/slot they'd been working in. The other reply to you outlines Black Hat. I very much doubt there's any conspiracy here.
I wasn't suggesting there was?
I think you're attaching "theory" to the word conspiracy here, whereas I wasn't going that far. :)
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True but not relevant. Police and legality do not need to be involved with certain kinds of casino justice. Security may just offer to beat your ass if you won't cease and desist, avoiding the paperwork. Could be bluff but they know where cameras are and have cop friends..
> Security may just offer to beat your ass if you won't cease and desist To be clear, if they tell you to stop playing, and you don’t, then they absolutely can call the police for trespassing, which is a crime. I don’t think most casinos have private security that will beat you any more, since they can tell you to stop playing and enforce that with police.
I'm kind of perplexed by the blanket assertions here as if private security everywhere will never offer either threatened or actual violence in either official or unofficial capacity.
Nevermind casinos, do people think every bouncer at every bar is merely for show? Since "management reserves the right", trespassing, threats and assault are not really a huge due-process kind of thing, and local establishments/insiders rank higher than outsiders. Within reason they know what is allowed and that isn't always going to be exactly and only whatever the law technically says.
Edit for even more context. For people that don't know already, not every casino or bar is owned by some megacorp who gives a shit about PR, has tons of cameras, has some HR department to educate staff on doctrine, etc. Many casinos are literally in sovereign territory of indigenous peoples also. Not that summary execution for offenders will be status quo there, but come on folks. The world is large and complicated, so simple stories about it are usually incomplete
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Guess what? Hotels are run by normals.
And they are perfectly fine with the crowd. I've chatted with many hotel staff and almost all of them are happy with the DC crowd. Generally tips well and are polite even when drunk, some assholes, but thats normal with any crowd. Worst case scenario is usually they tell people to disperse, but otherwise, they always seemed to laugh when they saw shenanigans (except for people fucking with Casino machines, thats a fa…
So how would you explain the original cancellation of DEF CON 32?
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Among some other really cringey behaviors. I've seen bottles of alcohol passed around doing talks and heard more than a few really off color jokes about criminal sex acts and such. Vegas waitresses have seen it all also but there was over the top behavior. We're in a victim dominant culture now, "it's not you or what you've done, you're just a victim of evil or something" but at more than a few Def Cons and more than…
Defcon was always a very boozy conference. It's not a professional event. It's Burning Man for high school AV clubs.
I think it might be "Burning Man" for the guys not quite "cool enough" to be in the high school AV Club...