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Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by dougmwne »

jensensbutton wrote: post #356
theropost wrote: post #276

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I'd love for this to be true. I bought into the Google ecosystem in a huge way, but it seems like they have been more focused on the data collection, and advertising end of things, rather than the innovation, and productivity enablement one. Their ecosystem has consitently been a let down in many regards, and they have lost a lot of forward momentum. I hope they can super charge this stuff, but I feel their corporate…

They just brought this extremely innovative thing to market in very little time. The problem may have been that they haven't really had any competition in their core business to push them in a long time.

This thing that no one except those bound by NDA has ever tried. I think I’ll reserve judgement for just a little bit before declaring Bard “extremely innovative.”

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by krisroadruck »

nevir wrote: post #362
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #304

Question for AI experts out there: ChatGPT is awesome, but it is obviously hamstrung by the fact that it crawled the web at the end of 2021, so all of its data is essentially "frozen" and it doesn't "know" of any topics that occurred after 2021. Seems to me like the next "holy grail" in large language models is building a model that can be continually updated. If Google can achieve that, I think they could leapfrog O…

Google already as its Knowledge Graph - which is a pretty huge set of (semi) structured data about a bunch of things out there: (totally speculative) If Bard were to form queries against knowledge graph, and then summarize the results, it could be very up to date for a good amount of information

I dunno - Google assistant relies heavily on the KG and it's pretty garbage - but then that could be more to do with Google Assistant than the quality of the KG.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by elorant »

rimliu wrote: post #233
dizzydes wrote: post #171

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1. ChatGPT have made a decent go of it on a much smaller budget 2. Wall St tends to be very forgiving when the investment is something with a strong a moat as AI. Metaverse is an example of what happens when they don’t believe… 3. With a few exceptions like weather, their current searches provide links to static pages others have built, so much of their understanding and analysis is going to waste. Giving custom resu…

ChatGPT is notorious for being damn sure about absolutely wrong things. If something like that powers the search…

All the book recommendations I got were for non-existent books. Makes you wonder if it creates summaries of the titles themselves.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by antonvs »

xen2xen1 wrote: post #347
ekanes wrote: post #263

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I think it's the first credible challenge to google's results in 2 ways. 1. People are typing questions into it and finding it hugely useful in ways that overlap with google. It just answers you, and you can ask clarifying questions, argue with it, etc. It's proving useful. 2. More subtly, the excitement around it seems to reveal that people are open to alternatives. For decades, alternative search engines haven't ma…

Hey Google, how big is Maine? G: It's xxx big. Person: Do I know anyone there ? G:No one is in your address book. P: What's the closest person I know to Maine? G:Bob. G: Is this about your asking about Maple Syrup last night? There are closer places to get fresh Maple Syrup, how about Michigan? Contrived, but not impossible.

I think anyone who's used ChatGPT seriously could tell you that this isn't the same thing, at all.

You're giving "assistant"-like questions, but the problem with those assistants has always been how shallow their responses have been, which significantly limits their usefulness.

GPT's responses are still shallow in an absolute sense, but relatively speaking they're the Mariana Trench compared to Google's little creek.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by 13years »

dizzydes wrote: post #150
13years wrote: post #130

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After all the buzz of decentralization, AI is going to be the new era of centralization. One AI interface to rule them all.

Thats a very interesting point, are all the web3 folks looking the wrong way?

There are a number of decentralized AI projects in that space. However, based on how effective web3 has been competitively against other big tech competitors for search and social media, they will need to be an order of magnitude more successful than on previous efforts.

Most projects are focused on privacy, user control and being censorship resistant. Which are all important, just not that important to the majority of everyday consumers who will take features and convenience over those other benefits. If decentralized AI is going to be competitive, it must actually be better along the lines of its actual features that enhance productivity.

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Post by Willish42 »

peyton wrote: post #294
killjoywashere wrote: post #267

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I don't think most people realize how much infrastructure separates something like ChatGPT from Google-scale deployment. OpenAI isn't suddenly building transoceanic fiber and datacenters near most major population centers. They aren't signing production-ready contract vehicles with most major OEMs and governments. And in the gap it would take a new entrant to acquire 10% of those assets, Google has 100,000 engineers…

Based on the busy mock-up in TFA I don’t think it’ll take 100,000 engineers to beat them.

What is TFA in this context? Does anyone have a link to to said "busy mock-up"?

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by BobbyJo »

nevir wrote: post #362
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #304

Question for AI experts out there: ChatGPT is awesome, but it is obviously hamstrung by the fact that it crawled the web at the end of 2021, so all of its data is essentially "frozen" and it doesn't "know" of any topics that occurred after 2021. Seems to me like the next "holy grail" in large language models is building a model that can be continually updated. If Google can achieve that, I think they could leapfrog O…

Google already as its Knowledge Graph - which is a pretty huge set of (semi) structured data about a bunch of things out there: (totally speculative) If Bard were to form queries against knowledge graph, and then summarize the results, it could be very up to date for a good amount of information

Knowledge graph is more of an expert system in terms of how it i updated and it's data sources. There isn't much magic there, so I doubt bard could get much from it if it's capable of being trained on unstructured web content.

The more likely dependency would be bard ingesting unstructured data and generating structured data to update knowledge graph with.

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Post by JPKab »

theropost wrote: post #276
asim wrote: post #224

People forget that Larry Page's ultimate goal was to have Google predict what you wanted before you even asked for it. This isn't about hype. This isn't about beating the competition. This is about delivering on a 3 decade dream that's now coming to fruition and Sundar just happens to be the one leading the org as it manifests in the real world. We're going to end up with 10+ vertically integrated AI solutions like t…

I'd love for this to be true. I bought into the Google ecosystem in a huge way, but it seems like they have been more focused on the data collection, and advertising end of things, rather than the innovation, and productivity enablement one. Their ecosystem has consitently been a let down in many regards, and they have lost a lot of forward momentum. I hope they can super charge this stuff, but I feel their corporate…

I also want this to be true.

I've just been soul-crushingly disappointed with Google's execution over the last few years, particularly the outright degradation of so many products (Gmail) or just not keeping up with competition (Hangouts is garbage compared to Zoom, Sheets still is barely usable, etc), or just screwing over users by deactivating features (I used to be able to play a youtube video's audio over my Google Home speaker, but they long ago removed that ability and I can only play Youtube music now).

All of the above are just consumer rants, but let's not forget how frighteningly bad the Customer Support or support in general is for G Cloud. I WANT to get off of AWS, but these clowns at Alphabet have this amazing ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory with anyone trying out GCloud.....

I hope Bard is great..... I want it to be.... but I'm not confident it will be.

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Post by nebula8804 »

hidelooktropic wrote: post #225
oars wrote: post #198

I was able to see LaMDA in action about 1.5 years ago. It was just as awe-inducing as ChatGPT. Google is not behind in this race. They're simply slower to roll out new functionality. And maybe rightly so? Some of the things I saw ChatGPT say would have been multi-day international bad headlines for Google, if a Google AI had said them instead of an upstart startup.

Why is there an almost identical comment right below this one from a different user?

Sometimes people on poor connections click the send button twice and it registers as two separate messages.
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