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Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by manuelabeledo »

smaryjerry wrote: post #249
Saint_Genet wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given how terminally online and meme-aware he is, there is no way he doesn't spend a significant part of his waking day just browsing shitposts.

I understand the desire of people to hate others just because others a richer but I’ve seen a bit too much assumption about how he runs his company from people and how he should be spending his time in their opinion, and it’s not just Elon Musk that gets this. Which CEO would be better, one that gets on the assembly line of the product and spends 80 hours a week helping employees put together the product, or a CEO th…

> I understand the desire of people to hate others just because others a richer...

Is that the case, though.

I for one don't care if Musk is the wealthiest person on Earth, or just some random middle class Joe. Fact is, he absolutely _loves_ to tout how much harder and longer he works than anyone else. That alone screams "bad leader" all around, and in my experience, anyone going public on matters like this, is overcompensating.

> ... it’s not just Elon Musk that gets this.

This is a very specific issue we are talking about. I cannot recall Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, Larry Page... making public statements about how much more they work than their employees, or how lazy and entitled their employees are. So while other wealthy individuals may get some hate, it's certainly not because they very publicly insult their workers.

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by WinstonSmith84 »

PheonixPharts wrote: post #269
ericbarrett wrote: post #16

A couple of days ago somebody posted this Reddit thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/v2lpdw/e... "Tesla expanded massively during Covid, as of now half of the dev team(including me) don’t have parking space or desk. It’s physically impossible for everyone to return to office. "Should I ignore the email, or should I drive to the office and sit under the stairs?" Commenters' general feeling was…

I'm suspecting that we'll see forced return to office as a way to implement layoffs without as much bad PR. Stock will go up since costs will drop, but management will be able to say that is more an issue with return to office rather than a company failing. "We're doing great, it's just that some employees don't share our commitment and focus on doing things well, and making our mission a priority." There has been a…

this might be a good excuse for companies under-performing but others doing (rather) well, will be (are) able to save a lot of costs (office spaces is #2 expenditure for software companies). And then the added possibility to recruit talent worldwide (and paying those in developing countries a fraction of resources in US / EU :-) )

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Post by fnordpiglet »

NovemberWhiskey wrote: post #340
fnordpiglet wrote: post #323

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That’s untrue, lay-offs and not for cause terminations have all sorts of protections and implications for the employer. The employment law body for not for cause termination is substantial, and discrimination law absolutely applies in not for cause termination - if they laid off all their pregnant and black employees you don’t think there would be liability?

If the firing is discriminatory, then yes obviously discrimination law applies; I mean, that's kind of obvious isn't it? Everyone knows that "at-will" doesn't mean "you can be fired for illegal reasons". A well-executed termination of at-will employees because of a change to the business environment is basically never going to fit into any of the exception categories to at-will, again assuming a competent HR departme…

Ah sorry I misread what you were saying.

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Post by krisoft »

thrwyoilarticle wrote: post #226
mjr00 wrote: post #25

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Not defending Tesla or Musk specifically here, but this happens all the time. Until you're ready to announce to internal staff (and publicly, if you're large enough) that you're in a hiring freeze and/or doing layoffs, you need to keep up appearances that things are operating normally, even if that means keeping up the recruiting pipeline for positions that you have no intention of hiring. The absolute worst thing yo…

I've experienced similar at a large tech employer. During a brief, now-forgotten market downturn, we froze hiring but kept open all of our position advertisements, in order to keep the pipeline 'warm'. I thought it was short-sighted. There were a small number of qualified people for the positions and we constantly complained that it was hard to find them. If one of those qualified candidates applies to a position and…

Why would you ghost them? You should politely let people know that it was not a match at this time and hopefully in the future you will get back to them.

There is an art to wording the communication in such a way that it does not lie outright, nor does it spell out a hiring freeze.

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Post by NoGravitas »

_ea1k wrote: post #305
jethro_tell wrote: post #192

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They won't because it's a meme stock. There's no way they should be the largest us auto maker. People are or have bought Tesla stock because they like Elon. There's not that much value in the company.

TBH, that's just as much a testament to how pessimistic investors are about other US automakers as it is to how positive they are on Tesla/Musk. F and GM are massively undervalued unless you have really big doubts about their future.

I don't know about Ford, but GM is pretty well positioned to eat the US electric car market by producing more affordable electric cars (like Hyundai and Kia are doing, but mostly not yet in the US market). They could well fail to do so, but if they do, it would be an own goal.

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Post by cianmm »

moonchrome wrote: post #163
ericbarrett wrote: post #16

A couple of days ago somebody posted this Reddit thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/v2lpdw/e... "Tesla expanded massively during Covid, as of now half of the dev team(including me) don’t have parking space or desk. It’s physically impossible for everyone to return to office. "Should I ignore the email, or should I drive to the office and sit under the stairs?" Commenters' general feeling was…

>half of the dev team(including me) don’t have parking space Isn't your Tesla supposed to be robotaxi, driving around autonomously while you work ? Why do you need parking spaces ?

Wouldn't it be fantastic if the solution to this problem ended up being public transit and bikes?

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Post by NoGravitas »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #110
fnordpiglet wrote: post #94

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But not because the CEO fired off an email based on his gut feeling about the economy. That’s wacky.

> not because the CEO fired off an email based on his gut feeling about the economy. That’s wacky. Elon's been off his rocker the last couple weeks. But this is just honesty. At the end of the day, this is the CEO's job. Some dress it up with more corporate speak. Others, like Elon, are more direct.

> Elon's been off his rocker the last couple weeks.

Pretty sure he's malding over the fact that Chelsea Manning is boffing his ex.

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Post by daenz »

ethanbond wrote: post #218
Karawebnetwork wrote: post #209

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This reminds me of Musk's recent comments about "political attacks against him in the coming days". It has since been learned that he had been reached by Business Insider to comment about the sexual abuse case beforehand. He already knew that an article against him was coming so he framed the narrative before it even reached the public. I would not be surprised this was the same here. Tell everyone "Leave if you don'…

Yeah, since the BI story – and in particular his attempt to frontrun it and turn his personal legal troubles into a culture war battleground – I think we can assume pretty slimy tactics from Musk.

The BI story thing is only a slimy tactic if you assume the sexual assault accusation to be true. If Elon knows its false and a tactic to paint him in a specific light, how could he be blamed for getting out in front of the narrative? Should he just let people say reputationally-damaging things about him, without intervening in any way?

I think we've seen recently with the Amber Heard case that it's better to let these things shake out in court first.

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