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Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by ghaff »

Silhouette wrote: post #293
that_guy_iain wrote: post #108

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> For example maybe people don't go to lots of inner city coffee bars in business districts any more but local cafes near residential areas are thriving. People don't buy coffee on the way to work, people don't buy coffee on the way home, people don't buy sandwiches and snacks, people don't spend money on commuting, people don't spend money at resturants for launch, companies stop having team lunches. People don't go…

People don't buy coffee on the way to work, people don't buy coffee on the way home, people don't buy sandwiches and snacks, people don't spend money on commuting, people don't spend money at resturants for launch, companies stop having team lunches. So your argument that remote work harms the economy is because it hurts businesses that sell coffee for at least a 10x markup over what it would cost to make it yourself…

>I would be surprised if we know what the "new normal" looks like before at least another 5-10 years have passed.

I generally agree although a lot of things have generally drifted back to business as usual.

However, other patterns still need to play out.

The degree to which pre-pandemic office work for knowledge workers who can work remotely goes back to pre-pandemic patterns still has to play out and I suspect, for many, there will at least be greater flexibility in the future.

Many US cities were still losing population 25 years ago. There's certainly no law of nature that younger educated people will continue to reverse this trend as they have the past couple of decades.

Things like big in-person business conferences have come back to some degree but it's unclear if they'll ever be back to business-as-usual.

The list goes on. I'm not sure the disruption will be as great as some envisioned but a lot of things were paused and it's unclear they will look the same as they unpause.

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by dharmaturtle »

belter wrote: post #274
ethanbond wrote: post #218

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Yeah, since the BI story – and in particular his attempt to frontrun it and turn his personal legal troubles into a culture war battleground – I think we can assume pretty slimy tactics from Musk.

Slimy tactics? From the person that said one of his companies can fix Spinal and Brain injuries?: https://youtu.be/cgyFL5Hzy-s?t=1312 Surely...

Meh. The youtuber criticizes Musk's statement "This is something we could fix" by saying "He does not say 'This is something we _might_ be able to fix.'"

Seconds later, the youtuber goes on to criticize Musk's disclaimer of "I'm not saying this is going to solve everything... it's something that _might_ be helpful."

You just can't win with these "skeptics".

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by [deleted] »

Victerius wrote: post #89
kochindustries wrote: post #40

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This is Tesla, office workers will soon find themselves working in a tent.

Tbh I wouldn't mind "working" out of a tent for a few weeks if the "office" was located in a natural area and the whole affair was more of a company-sponsored camping "workation" where half the day was spent doing outdoor activities.

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Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by [deleted] »

throwaway4aday wrote: post #68
adverbly wrote: post #23

Let me get this straight: "Work 80 hr weeks! Be just like me!" Musk: becomes worlds richest person Employees: laid off What planet do you live on where you see this as a sustainable, world-improving system for the world and for compensation? Anyone that works 50 hr weeks for this dude is out of their mind.

How about reading the article instead of the headline. "Tesla CEO Elon Musk has a “super bad feeling” about the economy and needs to cut about 10% of jobs at the electric carmaker" "Musk has warned in recent weeks about the risk of a recession, but his email ordering a hiring freeze and staff cuts was the most direct and high-profile message of its kind from the head of an automaker." "Musk’s gloomy outlook echoes re…

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Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

photochemsyn wrote: post #157
ericbarrett wrote: post #16

A couple of days ago somebody posted this Reddit thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/v2lpdw/e... "Tesla expanded massively during Covid, as of now half of the dev team(including me) don’t have parking space or desk. It’s physically impossible for everyone to return to office. "Should I ignore the email, or should I drive to the office and sit under the stairs?" Commenters' general feeling was…

Parking space? Ride your bike or take public transport, individual cars are not the best option. Electric buses and trains and bikes (for moving people) and electric trucks (for moving goods) are really where the future is going to be.

I've lived very few places with public transport, and often what was in place was poor. Winter exists and biking infrastructure simply doesn't exist in ways meaningful enough to ride a bike, if you are lucky enough to live close enough to do that.

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Post by ericmay »

bnt wrote: post #240
photochemsyn wrote: post #199

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The fact that the USA hasn't invested in the necessary infrastructure doesn't change the conclusion that efficient public transport systems (see Europe, see China) have huge benefits relative to a system that relies almost entirely on individual vehicles.

Do you have any idea of the SIZE of some States and distances between HOMES, not just towns? Public transport is not feasible in some places, as are not bikes. Am I supposed to bike 30 miles for a gallon of milk? How do I bring it back?

> Am I supposed to bike 30 miles for a gallon of milk? How do I bring it back?

Live closer? How do people in Germany get a gallon of milk? Or Japan?

How is it that every country in the world is able to do this except us?

Ultimately physics will win here and we're going to run out of cheap gasoline and fossil fuels and you're going to wish you could walk a couple blocks to a neighborhood grocery store. Milk is going to be $7/gallon and gas is going to be $7/gallon and you're going to effectively pay $15 or more to drive to the store 30 miles away and buy that gallon of milk. The whole reason you're were previously able to live 30 miles away from a place to buy milk is because we've had cheap, subsidized fossil fuels. This is going away. There's no amount of oil we can drill for that will change this reality over the long term. No political party can "fix" this. Republicans can't open enough pipelines. It doesn't matter anyway. If you choose to live 30 miles away from the nearest house or grocery store, you also will incur the associated costs of doing that. Townships and other entities aren't going to be able to afford to repair roads. They don't have the money unless they raise taxes by a lot. Better get ready for that too.

Public transit isn't feasible in many places, nor are bikes. Why is that? It's because we've decided to make sure that this is the case and we've spread out towns and cities, and used zoning to make sure that there are no stores within walking distance of the suburbs just so we can keep wasting money building new roads and buying new cars. It's a hidden tax going straight to shareholders of construction companies, automobile manufacturers, and government officials who green light all highway and road projects with your tax money even when we could just change a few things and reap huge savings. It's mind-blowing every time I see these comments. "How am I supposed to do this? See it doesn't work? Well yea because you've decided to make it not work and then tried it and you're like "oh the thing I made not work doesn't work! See??".

Nobody is interested in "taking your car" and nobody is interested in forcing you to live in a place that looks like Hong Kong. What many people are interested in though is building in sensible ways that include cheaper and more effective transit options, like walking, biking, light rail, and possibly busses. 90% of your day-to-day needs should be within a distance that you don't need a car for. Everything else is incorrect and just won't work in the long-term for most people.

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by c8g »

Just curious, how much money they can save firing 10% employee? so they can survive almost 10% more days, right? It seems to me it is not that much effective.

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by NovemberWhiskey »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #323
NovemberWhiskey wrote: post #311

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Being a contract worker is the alternative to being an at-will employee. Employment law, nor discrimination protection law, have anything to say about dismissing at-will employees who are surplus to business needs. Any kind of competent HR department will be able to manage a paper trail sufficient to dismiss at-will employees in a bullet-proof way, especially in a general business turndown.

That’s untrue, lay-offs and not for cause terminations have all sorts of protections and implications for the employer. The employment law body for not for cause termination is substantial, and discrimination law absolutely applies in not for cause termination - if they laid off all their pregnant and black employees you don’t think there would be liability?

If the firing is discriminatory, then yes obviously discrimination law applies; I mean, that's kind of obvious isn't it? Everyone knows that "at-will" doesn't mean "you can be fired for illegal reasons".

A well-executed termination of at-will employees because of a change to the business environment is basically never going to fit into any of the exception categories to at-will, again assuming a competent HR department. Pretending otherwise doesn't help anyone.

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