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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by whatthesmack » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 12:23 PM UTC

nicoburns wrote: post #355

xkbarkar wrote: post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d argue that the mandatory vaccine crowd are exactly the same. Edpecially when natural immunity is completely overlooked. Also I beleive that everytime officcials and MSM and threads like these completely undermine and ignore the millions of people who are traumatized by the pretty rough vaccine side effects ( Moderna is no joke ). these people wonder what else os being hidden. And the gap becomes wider and more fa…

I find your conflation of support for vaccines with support for lockdowns rather odd, because vaccines are the main thing that lessens the need for social restrictions! > Anti vaxx movement is dead. The vaccines are incredibly leaky, and cause pretty severe side effects especially in young men. They do not allow society to resume normality even if 100% are vaccinated ( do the math, the effect wears off so fast that i…

> They show around 70-80% protection (with 3 doses for Omicron, 2 for earlier variants)

That protection level lasts for about two months and then nosedives to uselessness[0].

If we keep pumping people with boosters, the manufacturers and the media aren't going to be able to keep suppressing reporting about the resulting heart issues the mRNA vaccines cause in many people[1].

Again, the vaccines are astoundingly leaky and were designed for a variant of the virus that hasn't existed in any meaningful way for a while.

People with only natural immunity from any variant are shown to have much better protection than mRNA vaccinated and boosted people[2].

[0] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/23/health/booster-protection...

[1] https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/more-bad-news-on-covid-v...

[2] https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v...

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by ErikVandeWater » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 12:27 PM UTC

watwut wrote: post #305

dclowd9901 wrote: post #266

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Honestly, blame the far left. This was their totem and they’ve been staunch about it. I consider myself a democratic socialist, but planting the flag of progressives into the dirt at the line of perpetual lockdowns was a _huge_ and likely catastrophic misstep, both politically and (more importantly) societally.

Apparently, majority of world is ruled by far left. Otherwise we can't explain lockdowna in other countries.

It's not so much far left as it is authoritarian.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by giantg2 » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 12:28 PM UTC

AussieWog93 wrote: post #170

cultofmetatron wrote: post #14

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medication isn't going to fix that. our society is infected at every level. Urban planning is setup so you can't get anywhere without a car so kids are stuck online all day. We don't have public spaces where you aren't expected to spend money. Our food is tainted and industrialized to have less nutrition. We spent decades digging this grave

You state this with a lot of confidence! >Urban planning is setup so you can't get anywhere without a car so kids are stuck online all day. This wasn't a problem in the 70s and 80s. Kids would just ride their bikes everywhere. >We don't have public spaces where you aren't expected to spend money. Apart from playgrounds, parks, libraries, community groups, all kinds of events... I don't think we've ever had more free…

On that nutrition comment... it affects nonprocessed foods too.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/soil-depletion-aN...

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by ErikVandeWater » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 12:28 PM UTC

forgotmypw17 wrote: post #246

bushbaba wrote: post #4

Covid was a wealth transfer from the youth to the elderly

Are we talking about the elderly who were locked up and isolated from any contact with people they depend on for basic survival needs?

Where were they locking up the elderly? In fully staffed assisted living facilities?

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by giantg2 » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 12:29 PM UTC

sethammons wrote: post #346

diordiderot wrote: post #274

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In many places in the US they'll take your kids into protective custody if you leave them unsupervised.

Happened to a friend at work. Quiet neighborhood, the park is literally on the other side of the lazy street. He was watching his kid from his window when another parent called the police for an unsupervised child. Cue a real legal battle where they could have lost custody of their kid.

Just curious, how old were they?

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by makomk » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 12:31 PM UTC

nicoburns wrote: post #355

xkbarkar wrote: post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d argue that the mandatory vaccine crowd are exactly the same. Edpecially when natural immunity is completely overlooked. Also I beleive that everytime officcials and MSM and threads like these completely undermine and ignore the millions of people who are traumatized by the pretty rough vaccine side effects ( Moderna is no joke ). these people wonder what else os being hidden. And the gap becomes wider and more fa…

I find your conflation of support for vaccines with support for lockdowns rather odd, because vaccines are the main thing that lessens the need for social restrictions! > Anti vaxx movement is dead. The vaccines are incredibly leaky, and cause pretty severe side effects especially in young men. They do not allow society to resume normality even if 100% are vaccinated ( do the math, the effect wears off so fast that i…

The current vaccines are leaky enough that any reductions in social restrictions below strict lockdown mean pretty much everyone is going to get Covid, generally over a very short time period. There doesn't seem to be any way around this. Also, the feasibility of putting lesser restrictions in place to try and spread the hospital load out is damaged by the fact that protection from vaccination fades relatively quickly - and that doesn't just seem to affect protection against infection, but also hospitalization and death. They're effective at reducing the number of deaths but just aren't the way out people like to claim they are.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by matwood » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 12:31 PM UTC

echelon wrote: post #300

watwut wrote: post #284

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It might just be different for different people. Like, my lifestyle and mental health got better and people like me can offset people like you (and I do have relative that had issues too).

I'm also curious about non-pandemic factors, such as social media. Instagram grows in usage during the pandemic. And there's also TikTok. Both of these can highlight how much fun others are having while you're "stuck".

Yeah, the pandemic amplified the already huge problems with teens and social media.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimelsesser/2021/10/05/heres-ho...

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by giantg2 » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 12:32 PM UTC

jaarse wrote: post #198

encryptluks2 wrote: post #26

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It isn't even a matter of being able to pay for therapy or psychiatric visits. The mental health system has been overwhelmed throughout the pandemic. There simply aren't enough mental health professionals to help the overwhelming need of individuals throughout the pandemic. You could be waiting 3+ months before you can even be seen by someone, especially if on a state or low-income health insurance plan.

^ This ^ 3 months right now is extremely fast to see someone in a clinic with a social work degree. Was told the actual Psychiatrists or Psychologists are completely full for an indefinite amount of time (As in years on the wait list). And this is paying out of pocket. And we were told directly from the clinics themselves, that the pandemic has led to an explosion in the number of clients.

Are waiting times for telaheath any better?

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by giantg2 » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 12:41 PM UTC

laurent92 wrote: post #288

dclowd9901 wrote: post #269

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Really? I feel exactly the opposite. I wouldn’t trust someone over 65 to drive me to the store.

In our world, we often assume old people have wrong opinions. The core, though, is that they were betrayed more often than us, so they are less prone to fall into the next rhetoric trap.

It's seems they get set in their ways and don't take action to make positive changes either. Never mind the next rhetoric trap, they're still in the first rhetoric trap...

Maybe all of this is a little bit of ageism, but we see that on the opposite end if the age spectrum too and I guess moving to a competency based test isn't practical.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by strken » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 12:42 PM UTC

astrange wrote: post #309

enraged_camel wrote: post #287

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>> The US, as far as I understand, has huge lockdowns and that may be the factor The US never really locked down after maybe the first two or three week period. The “lockdowns” we had were mostly performative and not really enforced. This is in huge contrast to some cities in Australia for example, where lockdowns were both prolonged (lasting months) and those violating them were smacked down consistently.

And every Australian I know was happy about it too. Australia is very similar to the US, but one difference is that they're less oppositional. Helps that it actually seemed to work though I'm surprised there hasn't been more objection to the lack of tourism. Of course, it's ineffective against omicron which is just too infectious to be stopped, and they aren't doing it now.

I was in Melbourne for all but the first lockdown, and we were about as "happy" as a patient going in for knee reconstruction. I know that's not what you meant, but the lockdowns really sucked, even if they were the least bad choice and even if most of us agreed with them.