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Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by watwut »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #170
cultofmetatron wrote: post #14

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medication isn't going to fix that. our society is infected at every level. Urban planning is setup so you can't get anywhere without a car so kids are stuck online all day. We don't have public spaces where you aren't expected to spend money. Our food is tainted and industrialized to have less nutrition. We spent decades digging this grave

You state this with a lot of confidence! >Urban planning is setup so you can't get anywhere without a car so kids are stuck online all day. This wasn't a problem in the 70s and 80s. Kids would just ride their bikes everywhere. >We don't have public spaces where you aren't expected to spend money. Apart from playgrounds, parks, libraries, community groups, all kinds of events... I don't think we've ever had more free…

The bike everywhere thing requires housing density and infrastructure. And society that won't call CPS on 9-10 years old without supervision.

There are wast suburban areas without public parks and libraries. They are meant for living only, so if you live there, you really need car

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by makeitdouble »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #170
cultofmetatron wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

medication isn't going to fix that. our society is infected at every level. Urban planning is setup so you can't get anywhere without a car so kids are stuck online all day. We don't have public spaces where you aren't expected to spend money. Our food is tainted and industrialized to have less nutrition. We spent decades digging this grave

You state this with a lot of confidence! >Urban planning is setup so you can't get anywhere without a car so kids are stuck online all day. This wasn't a problem in the 70s and 80s. Kids would just ride their bikes everywhere. >We don't have public spaces where you aren't expected to spend money. Apart from playgrounds, parks, libraries, community groups, all kinds of events... I don't think we've ever had more free…

About what changed between the 70s and now regarding letting your kids roam free:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/communi...

https://slate.com/human-interest/2015/04/neighbors-of-free-r...

This also answers your questions about public spaces they can use without you.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by watwut »

sodality2 wrote: post #76
annexrichmond wrote: post #53

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I think this take is a little extreme. I grew up in a very small town. You couldn’t get to the city without driving 30 minutes to a bus stop. I didn’t like it very much, and really looked forward to moving to a city. However, there were a plethora of parks, ponds, baseball and basketball courts, skateboarding parks, and an ice rink nearby that were somewhat walkable. Yeah I spent a little too much time on the compute…

The issue is that it's too easy to forgo all of that and scroll through tiktok for 12+ hours a day, per day (school days included). I'm not exaggerating with that number, either. When you literally have nothing else to do, you'll find something enriching to do. But when there's an easy, lazy outlet, kids will go to that. We literally cannot say the same about kids a few decades ago, either. No one spent every waking…

Issue here, imo is also the supervision requirement. The kids are not allowed to go outside independently without parent until they are basically teenagers.

Parents have stuff to do and also nothing to do on playground. So they stop taking kids there once those are over toddler age and won't destroy house put of sheer energy. Playgrouds are boring and 9-11 years old truly have nothing to do there without friends group.

So 6-10 years old kids are rarely outside. They know how to have fun at home and school, but they have no community in park and don't know games. Then they are 14-16 and everyone is like "why don't they go outside? there is basketball court". But shooting balls alone is fun for like two days and they don't known to have fun there.

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Post by refurb »

AnotherGoodName wrote: post #280
refurb wrote: post #208

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They were yet to be diagnosed when they went into hospital. That’s my point. They are hospitalized (had a condition that required admission), but not because of Covid.

Of course they weren't. It takes a while for a PCR test result. When someone comes in with "Respiratory problems" on admittance that's not a surprise that they are not diagnosed with COVID immediately is it?

The data is “admitted due to Covid or complication of Covid”, so presumably they filtered out the “breathing difficulty” cases”?

The number I’m quoting is “% Admitted where COVID was not included as one of the reasons for admission”.

I’m not paraphrasing here, but simiplying repeating what the NY state Governor is saying? Still disinformation?

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-hochul-updates-new...

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Post by IAmEveryone »

pdimitar wrote: post #102

I'll join the chorus of the other sibling commenters here by expressing skepticism that any medication will at all help with anything. Psychiatric medication often simply numbs your brain so it stops being worried about things that legitimately and truly torment it. It reduces your sensitivity, it knocks off your normal brain chemicals balance, and it turns you into a robot. I've had a family member go through this a…

That’s just a bunch of kitchen psychology not even on the level of 19th century Freudian psychoanalysis.

You’re starting from a very specific worldview—the puritanical tradition where those upholding a certain set of virtues (industriousness, tolerance to pain, etc) will be richly rewarded (on earth or later) and, conversely, any suffering can be traced back to individual faults.

That mindset cannot survive contact with even trace amounts of actual data where, time and time again, medication does make a difference, although that difference remains frustratingly smaller than for other diseases. But it isn’t ‘numbing” of “fake” any more than antibiotics are.

You seem to believe antidepressants are like uppers or downers where you chuck a handful and ten minutes later you feel a wave of happiness roll over you. Here’s a secret: take a few of those pills and you will feel… absolutely nothing. Anti-depressants do not produce a “high” in any sense of the word. Changes in mood take months to appear and are usually not even recognized by the patient. It’s their friends who tend to notice it first.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by refurb »

AnotherGoodName wrote: post #281
refurb wrote: post #213

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Huh? These people went to the hospital and were admitted for X. X being any number of medical conditions requiring hospitalization. You can be admitted for the reason “person is sick”, you need some diagnosis or complaint, however vague They later tested positive for Covid. How is that misinformation? If people come to the hospital with complaints of fever or breathing difficulties, they can do a covid test prior to…

> they can do a covid test prior to admission to determine if they are positive. No they don't. Admission is done immediately. No doctor is going to wait for a test result before admitting a patient suffering respiratory problems.

They excluded “complications of Covid” so positive test wasn’t needed, could be suspected Covid as well.

Are you really that shocked that people are being hospitalized for reasons other than Covid? I mean, do you think people who have Covid and another problem just don’t go to the hospital?

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Post by DeadReckoning »

pdimitar wrote: post #102

I'll join the chorus of the other sibling commenters here by expressing skepticism that any medication will at all help with anything. Psychiatric medication often simply numbs your brain so it stops being worried about things that legitimately and truly torment it. It reduces your sensitivity, it knocks off your normal brain chemicals balance, and it turns you into a robot. I've had a family member go through this a…

I did a zoom call with a psychiatrist and got Prozac and propranolol within an hour. Amazed at how easy the process is now with telemedicine and how helpful the right medications are.

I wish I hadn’t tried to “tough it out” for so long and being scared away from medication after hearing things like they would numb you or make you feel like a robot. I don’t feel that way at all now that I’ve experienced a number of these medications firsthand.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by IAmEveryone »

OtomotO wrote: post #202
dools wrote: post #137

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Ironically it is this sort of arm chair anti science bullshit that increase suicide risk among the mentally ill y contributing to a stigma of being medicated for a mental health condition.

On the contrary, blindly believing (not knowing) is unscientific in any and all regards. I too saw people taking pills and becoming "robots" in the methaphoric sense. They were dull and not themselves, "just" without suicidal tendencies. It was absolutely devastating to live under a roof with them. When I got a major depression, a decade back, I decided that I will not take any meds, because I'd rather die the person…

> I too saw people taking pills and becoming "robots" in the methaphoric sense.

No, you didn’t. That sort of effect does happen with antipsychotics. The effects of antidepressants are as different from those as Aspirin.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by echelon »

watwut wrote: post #284
wruza wrote: post #259

This pandemic is very strange mental-wise, all my doctors note that. The US, as far as I understand, has huge lockdowns and that may be the factor, but in my country it's called "an advisory self-isolation" and everyone basically lives their life like before, except wearing masks in public places and mandatory vaccination to visit a mall or a restaurant (also "manageable"). I'm not a social person (age almost 40), an…

It might just be different for different people. Like, my lifestyle and mental health got better and people like me can offset people like you (and I do have relative that had issues too).

I'm also curious about non-pandemic factors, such as social media.

Instagram grows in usage during the pandemic. And there's also TikTok. Both of these can highlight how much fun others are having while you're "stuck".

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