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Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by chrisseaton »

manigandham wrote: post #360
chrisseaton wrote: post #266

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> The choice that people want is the ability to have other App Stores, or direct installation. Who do you want to pay for building and supporting this functionality? Apple presumably?

Yes. And? Microsoft does that for Windows, and you know Apple already does it for MacOS right? Anyone who wants to list on the App Store can could still continue doing so and pay directly. The fees right now don't make sense anyway as many apps are free while others have to pay a cut for services that Apple has nothing to do with.

> and you know Apple already does it for MacOS right?

Possibly that experience led them to not do it when they had the clean slate of iOS.

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Post by sneak »

michaelmrose wrote: post #284
marsdepinski wrote: post #275

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Missing the point they the only way to install apps on an IPhone is the app store. If you had choice to freely download apps from the internet, this would not be a monopoly abuse issue. Then sure charge on the app store whatever you want, allow competing so stores that also offer reviewed software.

Correct if they did this virtually every really big player would opt out and offer a package on their website. See the MS and apple desktop store.

If they did this, millions of iPhones would suddenly be filled with sandbox-breaking malware installed from websites, too.

I believe Apple is ready to die on this anti-malware hill.

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Post by LatteLazy »

jws wrote: post #358
LatteLazy wrote: post #211

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Isn't the point here What they get 30% of? Do they get 30% of what the end user pays or 30% of the revenue the app maker keeps (30% of Fanhouses 10% is 3%)?

The only reasonable way to structure the payment is on the gross value. If Apple tried to define it on some net or retained value then Apple would be auditing the developers of 337030 paid apps each pulling their own shenanigans to hide their revenue.

Maybe, but that defacto bans anyone acting as a middle man doesn't it?

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Post by microtherion »

Dah00n wrote: post #240
ksec wrote: post #214

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Define Monopoly? Apple have ~65% Market Share in US and over 70% in Japan.

>A monopoly exists when a specific person or enterprise is the only supplier of a particular commodity. -Wikipedia It gets defined to death every time we have this discussion. Apple has a de-facto monopoly on the app store no matter if their phones have 1% or 100% of the market share of phones. This isn't about market share but if they abuse their position/control on the app store . Is Apple the "only supplier of a p…

That is assuming that the app store is a "market" for the purposes of monopoly law, which is indeed the argument that Epic is making, but hardly settled law.

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Post by manigandham »

immackay wrote: post #370
kryptozinc wrote: post #356

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Can my tech illiterate grammy do it all by herself using just her iphone? if no, then OP's point stands.

Can your tech illiterate grammy do it (read: sideloading unsigned programs) all by herself on an xbox or playstation?

She can go to the store and buy a physical disk, yes.

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Post by chrisseaton »

stale2002 wrote: post #366
chrisseaton wrote: post #350

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Apple would have to develop new APIs and poke new holes in their security to enable this. Then they’d have to test and maintain these APIs. That’s work they don’t want to do and a cost they don’t want to pay for.

> That’s work they don’t want to do Well when you are engaging in illegally anti-competitive behavior, you have to take some actions to correct that. But also, I am sure that other companies would even be willing to put in the effort to jailbreak the phone, in some combined effort, if they knew that Apple wouldn't try to engage in illegal anti-competitive practices to stop it. Apple can't just break the law like this…

Have they been found to be breaking the law?

Also if they are, are these good laws anyway?

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Post by RandallBrown »

kristiandupont wrote: post #304
RandallBrown wrote: post #286

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Netflix doesn't take payment in its iOS app as far as I can find. They are allowed to take payment on their website for a subscription, but so is any other developer.

>so is any other developer No, they are not. That was what the whole Hey debacle was about. Netflix and Spotify have special privileges there.

I do remember seeing articles about Apple "requiring" Hey to allow signing up in the app, but I'm not sure if Apple relented or if it was just a misunderstanding. Hey does not currently take payment in the app.

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Post by p1necone »

CharlesW wrote: post #292
manigandham wrote: post #260

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The choice that people want is the ability to have other App Stores, or direct installation. This changes nothing for people like you while giving more opportunities for others.

> The choice that people want is the ability to have other App Stores, or direct installation. I am "people" and I absolutely do not want app developers creating their own silo'd app stores. The last thing I want to do is download separate app stores for every major app vendor on my phone, to give them all my credit card info, to have per-store standards for warning me about privacy issues, to have different policies…

Android allows sideloading apps and this hasn't happened there - everyone still publishes on the main Android app store too. (except for Fortnite obviously, but that's been removed from the iOS store too so it's not exactly a counter example)

Why do you think it wouldn't work out the same way on Apple devices?

Also if you're concerned about hypothetical "missing out" on certain apps, consider all the developers that already don't release on iOS because of their restrictive practices.

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Post by manigandham »

immackay wrote: post #331
manigandham wrote: post #254

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There are alternate ways to get software on those platforms. There isn’t on Apple mobile devices.

There is indeed alternative ways to get software on Apple mobile devices. Why is this such a common belief? Edit: your point seems to be revolving around the access to physical disks for playstation/xbox, which is 1. Limited to devices that have a disk drive, 2. Limited to software that would similarly be sold on the sony/xbox stores, and 3. Still gives sony/microsoft a cut of the sale. Edit 2: No, I'm not talking ab…

It's a common belief because it's true. We're clearly talking about consumer-level access to install and run native software, not pedantic technical workarounds.
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