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EU bans Belarusian airlines from European skies

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Re: EU bans Belarusian airlines from European skies

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Post by newdude116 »

jiofih wrote: post #360
newdude116 wrote: post #349

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"Back in reality, Germany’s energy consumption has grown about 5% in the past two decades" Then Germany is just extremely lucky, economically declining or outsourcing energy intensive production tasks. You iPhone was grown on a tree in Germany? "dumb extrapolation like folding paper." This guy is a physics professor. I have meet many stupid people with a STEM degree in my life but stupid people seem somehow extraordi…

It’s impossible to have a sane discussion if you keep moving the goalposts. You initially ROFLed at the statement that “Germany could become power independent” and said it shows “ignorance and lack of basic math skills”. The data clearly shows that not to be the case. The country is en route to becoming 100% self-sufficient using renewables in the next few decades. Except in that absurd growth scenario you decided to…

“Germany could become power independent” and I doubt that. First in general, second on statistics (e.g. produce aluminum and other energy expensive products outside of Germany). But I gave you, for the sake of the argument, that it is possible. You still would have to compensate for ongoing energy demand growth. Be it inside Germany or outside. So your "final target" is an exponential moving target.

" It just has no bearing on a more realistic timeline at stake here." 10-30 years in not long. I claim we are seeing the limits of growth, and the central banking voodoo is a sign of it. And again, if economic growth stops, our economy and society will collapse too. A steady state economy can only work on the industrial level of the Amish people.

https://ourfiniteworld.com/

Re: EU bans Belarusian airlines from European skies

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Post by proxysna »

jacquesm wrote: post #351
proxysna wrote: post #278

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I am living outside of Belarus right now in a country with decent government, so i don't really worry about this. But ofc i use my own wireguard vpn and mtproto proxy for telegram when i am traveling to Belarus. I am not going to censor myself, but it pays to be cautious.

As proven by the fact that a regime critic just caused a plane to be diverted, living outside of Belarus is by itself unfortunately no longer a guarantee for safety. So please be very careful.

I appreciate your concern, but lets be real.

I am a nobody, Raman was a prominent opposition figure even before aug 2020 and ex-editor of NEXTA (biggest belarusian opposition channel on tg). He was arrested because of his relation to NEXTA. Me? I am just a dude, who works\lives abroad and has to deal with shit that my beloved leader pulls off.

Reason why people in Belarus are getting arrested for stuff like commenting/posting, is because they leave their bio\phone number\sensitive stuff open or do it on socials that are working with cops (viber, vk, whatsapp etc). HN is perfect because you can use 5 minute mail to create an account. Regular cops wont be able to dox you unless they have your phone. It is very different if you got attention from KGB or other dudes. But you have to be prominent enough to do that.

And finally. I can post/comment on HN as much as i want because HN is very far from being of any interest to cops. Small site, most days purely tech themed, that is 100% in english.

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Post by cutemonster »

proxysna wrote: post #372
jacquesm wrote: post #351

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As proven by the fact that a regime critic just caused a plane to be diverted, living outside of Belarus is by itself unfortunately no longer a guarantee for safety. So please be very careful.

I appreciate your concern, but lets be real. I am a nobody, Raman was a prominent opposition figure even before aug 2020 and ex-editor of NEXTA (biggest belarusian opposition channel on tg). He was arrested because of his relation to NEXTA. Me? I am just a dude, who works\lives abroad and has to deal with shit that my beloved leader pulls off. Reason why people in Belarus are getting arrested for stuff like commentin…

> socials that are working with cops ... whatsapp

WhatsApp?

Re: EU bans Belarusian airlines from European skies

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Post by lazyjones »

simonh wrote: post #265
lazyjones wrote: post #222

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Also, it sounds wrong that they can allegedly ban Belarusian planes from "European" skies, with Belarus being a country in Europe...

By European skies, they just mean the skies over the European Union. News articles routinely say Europe when they man the European Union. Sometimes confusingly, but I think the context is clear here.

It's clearly wrong, that it's pretty common to write it like that doesn't make it any better.

Re: EU bans Belarusian airlines from European skies

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Post by fuzzylightbulb »

ketzu wrote: post #321
throwaway292893 wrote: post #185

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I don't think that would solve the North Korea, Uighur, Hong Kong, or Taiwan crisis. Holding China accountable would solve 70% of human rights abuses.

> Holding China accountable would solve 70% of human rights abuses. Do you mean that "70% of human rights abuses" in china or worldwide? And if worldwide, do you think the 70% of human rights absuses happen in china or that other nations will stop based on the fear of consequences? Right now my first impression was that you claim that 70% of all human rights abuses happen in china, which, to me, seems like it is very…

Always assume the more charitable interpretation. I think the person was just being hyperbolic, and used "70%" to mean "a lot". Pedantic squabbling over the exact number of something that is essentially unknowable is not particularly helpful to anyone except for the human rights abusers.

With that out of the way: I do think that if there were a mechanism in place that was sufficient to hold a huge state such as China accountable, it actually would have a significant impact on worldwide human rights abuses. If China was not able to get around this, what options would smaller tin-pot dictators have other than to reform?

Proving to the world that the rules apply regardless of relative size/importance has significant downstream effects beyond the single entity that is brought down for noncompliance with those rules. Likewise, the visible lack of required accountability for large players undermines faith in the system and encourages smaller players to see what they can get away with.

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Post by andrepd »

saiya-jin wrote: post #318
andrepd wrote: post #151

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Hungary is objectively an authoritarian regime because it removed separation of powers, stacked court with political appointees, closed down virtually all independent press, made state TV into a propaganda piece for Fidesz, etc. Not because it "disagrees with the EU".

You can be an authoritative regime and still hate Russia and its puppets with passion for what atrocities they did in last century (1956 for Hungary, less but still bloody 1968 for Czechoslovakia).

I don't see how that's related to the conversation at hand. How did Russia get in the conversation?

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Post by proxysna »

cutemonster wrote: post #373
proxysna wrote: post #372

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I appreciate your concern, but lets be real. I am a nobody, Raman was a prominent opposition figure even before aug 2020 and ex-editor of NEXTA (biggest belarusian opposition channel on tg). He was arrested because of his relation to NEXTA. Me? I am just a dude, who works\lives abroad and has to deal with shit that my beloved leader pulls off. Reason why people in Belarus are getting arrested for stuff like commentin…

> socials that are working with cops ... whatsapp WhatsApp?

I've checked again, and most posts about fines\arrests that i was able to find were related to screenshots of groupchats, and no data requests were done to whatsapp itself. My bad.

Viber worked actively with cops while their head office was in Minsk, even after Rakuten acquisition.

VK, and other companies that are located in Russia, especially those that are owned by mail.ru group, are actively working with cops.

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

dannyw wrote: post #206
londons_explore wrote: post #157

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I'd like to see a worldwide agreement that no country will ever stop a citizen from leaving, as long as they have permission to enter another country. Even if the person is in prison or debt, they can always leave with just themselves to another country willing to take them. If all nations agreed to that, we could stop worrying about most other human rights abuses, and country governance becomes more of a free market…

In Australia, it's currently a crime for citizens to leave without a permit. The system for permits is quite arbitrary, with some reporting approvals in minutes, and others reporting rejections without reason. It is worth noting that a recent survey showed a vast majority of Australians preferring closed borders as we have been relatively unscathed from COVID.

I'm not sure how allowing people to leave is a covid risk.

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Post by hungryforcodes »

skissane wrote: post #269
simonh wrote: post #262

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Yes France has already implemented this decision, without any involvement from the Council of the European Union.

To be horribly pedantic about it, they haven't actually implemented the decision because the decision hasn't formally been enacted yet. ( Decision is actually a technical term in European Union law – EU legislative acts can be classified as directives, regulations, decisions, or recommendations. I'm not sure in this case what type of legislative instrument they are going to use – it could be either a regulation or a…

Yes, definitely pedantic.

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Post by piva00 »

rklaehn wrote: post #370
simonh wrote: post #368

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That's one guy in a constitutional court of 16 members, and he wasn't a political appointment but was elected by the German parliament (something like a parliament, I'm no expert on the german system). Assange was put in prison for being a bail jumper wanted on rape allegations. He's now in a perfectly ordinary British prison, going through the usual extradition process under politically independent judicial authorit…

In Germany we have the biggest restrictions of fundamental rights since the existence of the federal republic of Germany. We are all on indefinite house arrest. Millions of people are not allowed to work. And the constitutional court does not even want to hear cases objecting to this. They will make a decision in 1 or 2 years when it has become irrelevant. So it seems we don't have any fundamental rights at all. So s…

Ah, you are one of those fundamentalists... Yeah, there is also a pandemic going on, look at us here in Sweden how well it works to leave to personal responsibility and self risk assessment to follow health guidelines.
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