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Re: Activists rally to save Internet Archive as lawsuit threatens site

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Post by arpa »

kick wrote: post #241
AmericanChopper wrote: post #42

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This reward ratio concept that you invented to frame this only accounts for one side of the transaction. For starters, to give something away for free, you have to own it first. There no moral high ground in deciding to give away other people’s things. But if you want to only focus on the potential for public good, then where would you put the “reward ratio” for the authors who’s work was given away by the internet a…

Views like the ones you've expressed here, which frame this as a property issue, will lead more and more to begin to think that intellectual property isn't "property" at all.

Hey hey, property is property of corporations and business entities. We can only have temporary access rights to that property.

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Post by 411111111111111 »

CivBase wrote: post #361
kick wrote: post #310

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I like OSM as much as anyone, but out of those four, it'd be fourth by a mile or two in terms of usefulness. The English Wikipedia (especially if including other Wikimedia projects) on its own would be practically enough to get humanity back to the current day if things were set back a few hundred years. The Internet Archive would be, too, and probably a bit further. OSM would just get you a slightly better map. That…

> That said, 'jacquesm's comment is beyond stupid, really. Name calling is not constructive.

I'm not the person you responded to, but that comment was just reacting considering how jacquesms comment ended.

He (jacquesm) is always judgemental to a silly degree, despite not actually knowing even close to enough to form a useful opinion. That does get tiresome considering how often he comments and can end in snippish comments like the one before.

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Post by zozbot234 »

ericathegreat wrote: post #355
matheusmoreira wrote: post #113

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> it's perfectly reasonable to gate access to that value It's also perfectly reasonable to distribute that information widely and without limits. The fact information is valuable to someone doesn't make it scarce. The harsh reality that creators need to face is that only the first copy need be paid for. > I'm sure you wouldn't argue that anyone can watch a movie for free just because someone else made it I would. Ins…

Why would someone pay in advance for something that they will get for free at the same time as everything else? Fundamental limitation of capitalism is that one of its goals is to acquire the maximum amount of value for yourself, while losing the minimum amount. Even the most successful Patreon users rely on "Patreon exclusive content" for their supporters to be able to make some kind of livable money.

> Why would someone pay in advance for something that they will get for free at the same time as everything else?

Because the content wouldn't get created unless they do pay. That's why worthwhile Kickstarter projects tend to reach their funding threshold, even when they're to be released for no added cost.

Re: Activists rally to save Internet Archive as lawsuit threatens site

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Post by omginternets »

I wonder if there’s a turnkey(ish) way to crowdsource a back-up the archive on IPFS.

IPFS seems ideally suited for two reasons:

- it has decent censorship-resistant properties

- content addressing is ideal for partial backups because individuals can mirror as little (or as much) as they want.

I’m guessing the simplest approach would be to somehow get access to the archive’s database? Is this something they’d be willing to consider?

Re: Activists rally to save Internet Archive as lawsuit threatens site

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Post by erk__ »

omginternets wrote: post #376

I wonder if there’s a turnkey(ish) way to crowdsource a back-up the archive on IPFS. IPFS seems ideally suited for two reasons: - it has decent censorship-resistant properties - content addressing is ideal for partial backups because individuals can mirror as little (or as much) as they want. I’m guessing the simplest approach would be to somehow get access to the archive’s database? Is this something they’d be willi…

There is probably not enough people on IPFS to store all of it in a safe way that makes it always aviable. I think all the items on the page already have torrents so it would likely be better to share them around.

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Post by tekknik »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #362
tekknik wrote: post #356

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I can’t see this working on a large scale. With no IP rights then how can I protect my work? We could outlaw all businesses so nobody can take my work and turn a profit from it but then where’s the incentive to solve complex problems? If I have to give away my solution then there’s really no reason for me to try unless I’m being forced in some way. Why would a dr want to work on a solution for cancer instead of just…

Prusa 3D printers are open source. Their main product over the last several years has been the MK2 and MK3 line of printers. Millions of clones have been sold by well-equipped Chinese companies. The clones sell for 1/3 the price, but make some cost cutting measures to achieve low cost. The result is that there is plenty of room in the market for the first party company and the clones. Your suggestion that we outlaw b…

I actually didn’t mean the outlaw business thing as inflammatory. I challenge you to find a way to make this work when some can still make profit.

I’m aware what you do on your Github, I looked it up. Interestingly I have many more public/oss repos than you.

You have failed to address the point and gave one example of a company based around 3d printers. I challenge you to think about this across all industries and how a company making something of great value can protect this thing so another company cannot just take it and get all the research for free.

Further I put it to you that YOU don’t understand why people do what they do. Most of us enjoy an intelectual challenge but that is not all we enjoy.

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Post by omginternets »

erk__ wrote: post #377
omginternets wrote: post #376

I wonder if there’s a turnkey(ish) way to crowdsource a back-up the archive on IPFS. IPFS seems ideally suited for two reasons: - it has decent censorship-resistant properties - content addressing is ideal for partial backups because individuals can mirror as little (or as much) as they want. I’m guessing the simplest approach would be to somehow get access to the archive’s database? Is this something they’d be willi…

There is probably not enough people on IPFS to store all of it in a safe way that makes it always aviable. I think all the items on the page already have torrents so it would likely be better to share them around.

How many people are on IPFS?

Re: Activists rally to save Internet Archive as lawsuit threatens site

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Post by lordlimecat »

shervinafshar wrote: post #263
lordlimecat wrote: post #249

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The plaintiffs will ask "if this was the case why did you not work with libraries to ensure that copies loaned were backed by physical copies"? And they will ask "why did you not put forward a good faith effort to work with publishers?" Then they will ask "why did you not reach out to any legislators or executives to seek an exemption?" And IA will have no answer other than "because we are a law unto ourselves".

I can imagine the answer to all those questions from IA wouldn't be "because we are a law unto ourselves" as you suggested, but it would be along the lines that following bureaucratic channels during a national emergency to be able to help the public with availability of books, would have been slow and hence counterproductive. In this country, laws have a interesting way to bend during national crises. I'll keep my f…

>following bureaucratic channels ...would have been slow and hence counterproductive.

The courts will understand this to effectively be "we are a law unto ourselves". Those determinations are properly made by the mayor, governor, president, or legislative body-- not some random .org.

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