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Post by chrischen »

cosimo99 wrote: post #205
chrischen wrote: post #109

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In Asian culture Asian woman always have a strong preference for other Asians (this is of course generalizing across the different Asian cultures), especially from the same Asian race. But there's a strong fetishizing of Asian women by certain non-Asian men so there's a disproportionate amount of Asian-women-chasing by white men that gets misconstrued as preference by Asian women. If everyone preferred blue M&Ms, you…

Simply not true. As another user pointed out, "it takes two to tango." And from personal experience, Asian women are just as into white men as white men are into Asian women. I'm a white guy, and the only women who have ever been super into me immediately after meeting me in a club have been Asian. This has happened multiple times in clubs in SF, LA, Hong Kong, and Shanghai.

Go go Gangnam in Korea. You'll see the xenophobia exhibited by their woman. You'll realize that its latent racism to generalize across all Asian cultures and automatically attribute your dating success to the desirability of your own race. Its also egocentric to generalize one's own limited viewpoint with absolute certainty.

If you come from Asian culture, you'll realize that the poorer will prefer foreign men if for no other reason than for socioeconomic reasons, and for a well-to-do girl where this factor is nonexistent its pretty well known that both genders have a strong preference from their own country (not just for any "Asian").

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Post by chrischen »

dataker wrote: post #182
chrischen wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Asian culture Asian woman always have a strong preference for other Asians (this is of course generalizing across the different Asian cultures), especially from the same Asian race. But there's a strong fetishizing of Asian women by certain non-Asian men so there's a disproportionate amount of Asian-women-chasing by white men that gets misconstrued as preference by Asian women. If everyone preferred blue M&Ms, you…

>The Asian women fetish is quite unique in that there's really nothing else like it for women of another race present in American culture I wouldn't say it's a fetish for Asian girls(physical traits and sexuality). What attracts many white males is the fact many Asian women are usually more mature, intelligent and feminine than others.

It is in fact that generalization (which is not true) that makes it a fetish. Its a fetish when you have an unrealistic and unhealthy mental image and obsession with something.

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Post by omonra »

stickfigure wrote: post #290
omonra wrote: post #279

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I'm all for decriminalizing drugs, no argument from me on that. However Portugal homicide rate went up by 40% after they did it ( https://fullfact.org/factchecks/Portugal_decriminalisation_d... ). So not sure it's the silver bullet people expet.

That document pretty explicitly says it has no idea if the statistic is linked to drug policy. However, even if we posit that the correlation is significant, I'm not sure what you can read into this. While comparatively enlightened, Portugal did not legalize drug possession and didn't decriminalize vending of drugs. So organized crime is still the one making (and fighting over) all the money. To this day, the best ex…

Good point, thank you.

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

burkaman wrote: post #315
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #300

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>You have to acknowledge race in order to fight the racists of the world. // Can you give a solid example? I can't see how labelling someone "race X" allows you to fight against unequal opportunities or other discrimination or prejudice.

I mean that you need to acknowledge the concept of race. Say you're facing a 10% unemployment rate in some city. If you treat everyone as an equal individual, the solution will be some combination of economic changes, lowering taxes, increasing subsidies, whatever. Now imagine 90% of the unemployed are black, in a city where blacks are the minority. Clearly there is more than an economic problem here. Promoting indiv…

How is that fair though. You make a statistical restitution of sorts but if there are 20 jobs and 100 candidates of equal standing. 50 candidates fit one biological classification (A) unrelated to the job and the other 50 fit another (B). How is it fair then to ensure that a certain number of A > B get the jobs available?

Why is it that when the number [getting the jobs] A B it's right.

Moreover what you appear to be arguing is not even that the candidates have equal standing with regard to ability to perform the roles but that you should select A > B even if on average candidates in group B are more able to fulfil the job requirements.

So now you reject candidates who are more able to do a job simply because they fit unrelated classification A. How is that discrimination good?

Why is it alright to antagonise people now because of their race when it wasn't in the past; don't you think that will just foment ill will and a greater focus on irrelevant biological classifiers?

We shouldn't discriminate against a poor person because they're poor and in group B, we should offer opportunities for all poor people to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps regardless of unrelated biological classifications. By this means we will remove needless discrimination rather than shift it around. If, in order to make restitution you feel that there are excessively many poor people from one group, then make more opportunities available to all poor people. That way all those who wish to take advantage can do so regardless of whether their earlobes are attached or whatever hangup you have.

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Post by unprepare »

omonra wrote: post #125
unprepare wrote: post #94

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Do you have a source for your 20% figure?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9410440

This source does not back your claims at all.

Firstly, it doesn't break the statistics down by race. Blacks are arrested disproportionately for drug crimes [1][2], you can't assume because the general prison population is 20% that the same is true of a subpopulation.

The FBI shows that White commit disproportionately more violent crimes[3] - though it is important to note that the FBI stats are arrests, and not prison. Blacks get harsher prison sentences for all categories, and thus would make up a higher percentage of prison populations than if sentences were even across races.

To show you why its other peoples problem look at your own sentence here:

>black men are killing each other

Over what? The answer here is the drug war creating hyper competitive and very well paying black markets, especially prevalent in poor communities where drug abuse is the most common (and thus drug dealing and territory are more lucrative).

No one is absolving the black community of responsibility, it would be crazy to do so. But to place ALL of the blame on a community with the worst schools, the least nuclear families, the highest rates of drug use, and the least financial stability would be well passed insensitive.

The problem is the subjugation of the lower class, blacks just happen to be disproportionately in the class and have been for generations. Looking at these statistics by race is a red herring in the first place. What we need is to be seeing crime statistic based on socioeconomic status. It will then be obvious what parts of society are breeding crime.

[1]http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/social-mobility-memos/posts/2... [2]http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/29/opinion/high-time-the-inju... [3]http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/c...

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Post by rokhayakebe »

javert wrote: post #350
rokhayakebe wrote: post #216

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Hi Javert, To fix something implies it does not work properly. When you say there is nothing white people can do to fix this, what is this broken "this" needing to be fixed? Edit: By the way I upvoted even though I think your line of thinking is incorrect, and that it intentionally contributes to the racial problem we face here. Edit2: I meant "un"intentionally. Sorry.

Black culture. However, it doesn't really need to be fixed. All that needs to happen is for individuals to decide that they want to live rational, virtuous lives. If you doubt that black culture preaches the opposite, listen to (modern) black music. (Or look at black incarcertaion rates.) I say "modern" because much of the best American music was created by blacks. But that was a while ago.

Javert,

Thanks for the clarification. Email me at 1000app@gmail.com so that I can email you my thoughts on this. From a black person's point of view. I suspect we will have to go a few back and forth. Maybe.

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Post by burkaman »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #364
burkaman wrote: post #315

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I mean that you need to acknowledge the concept of race. Say you're facing a 10% unemployment rate in some city. If you treat everyone as an equal individual, the solution will be some combination of economic changes, lowering taxes, increasing subsidies, whatever. Now imagine 90% of the unemployed are black, in a city where blacks are the minority. Clearly there is more than an economic problem here. Promoting indiv…

How is that fair though. You make a statistical restitution of sorts but if there are 20 jobs and 100 candidates of equal standing. 50 candidates fit one biological classification (A) unrelated to the job and the other 50 fit another (B). How is it fair then to ensure that a certain number of A > B get the jobs available? Why is it that when the number [getting the jobs] A B it's right. Moreover what you appear to be…

No, you misunderstand me, the solution would not be to force companies to hire some percentage of black people, or anything like that. Companies should hire whoever is best for the job.

But it is absolutely fair to address the reasons black people are so disproportionately unemployed. Is it because employers are unconsciously discriminatory when evaluating candidates? Yes, according to a a few studies. What can we do about that? I don't really know, but helping poor people in general will not solve this problem.

Is it because particular communities have been caught in a cycle of poverty and lack of education for centuries, because of slavery and segregation? Yes, often it is. You are not racist, you had nothing to do with those crimes, but unfortunately the antagonism of the past is still very much affecting the people of today. It is not antagonistic to address these longstanding issues. Again, I don't know the solution, but it might involve offering college scholarships specific to black people. It might involve some kind of affirmative action.

These ideas are not antagonistic to non-black people, even if a white guy gets rejected from a college that accepts a less-qualified black guy. We cannot treat everyone equally when some people are starting so far behind.

Yes, we should offer opportunities for all poor people, but that won't do enough. Biological classification A is at a huge disadvantage, and all the people responsible for it are dead, so we can't punish them or make them fix it. We have to try to fix it.

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Post by chrischen »

dataker wrote: post #182
chrischen wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Asian culture Asian woman always have a strong preference for other Asians (this is of course generalizing across the different Asian cultures), especially from the same Asian race. But there's a strong fetishizing of Asian women by certain non-Asian men so there's a disproportionate amount of Asian-women-chasing by white men that gets misconstrued as preference by Asian women. If everyone preferred blue M&Ms, you…

>The Asian women fetish is quite unique in that there's really nothing else like it for women of another race present in American culture I wouldn't say it's a fetish for Asian girls(physical traits and sexuality). What attracts many white males is the fact many Asian women are usually more mature, intelligent and feminine than others.

Also imagine what ran through Hitler's mind when he decided to formulate his opinions on Jews. It probably started with some limited interaction with or exposure to them, and it probably turned out negative (in your case regarding Asian women, it turned out positive). He then extrapolated that into a generalization... and then some unimportant things happened next. A negative fetish, if you will.

A wrong idea is bad, regardless of if it is a positive idea or negative one. It makes you disregard other Asian women, or other people, who actually hold those qualities, and it makes you think less of them when they fail to satisfy those qualities. I hope that helps you understand why such generalizations, even if positive, are racially insensitive.

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Post by tedks »

munificent wrote: post #238
lifeisstillgood wrote: post #194

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The major restraining factor on young men in a village or tribal setting was always the rest of the village. When the demographics became unbalanced (war, famine) then young gangs were always to be feared (Peter Pans lost boys would not have been cute) We are fortunate in having overcome hunger in 4/5ths of the world - but it has left a lot of time on people's hands compared to a hunter gather lifestyle and a lot of…

> We are fortunate in having overcome hunger in 4/5ths of the world - but it has left a lot of time on people's hands compared to a hunter gather lifestyle and a lot of unsupervised time similarly Actually, some studies have shown that hunter-gatherers have much more free time than we do. Our wants grow more quickly than our technology can satisfy them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_affluent_society

But this "free time" came at the cost of constantly having to scavenge for more food, move to new areas, fight for survival, etc.. I see primitivists hawking this on hacker news quite a lot now, but you can post that link a hundred times, it still won't make 10k BC any more appealing than 2015.

It turns out that after you feed, shelter, and clothe people, they still want more stuff. What a fucking surprise. But at least I'm not starving, freezing, naked, bleeding out on the plains after being gored by a rhino or squashed by a mammoth.

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Post by Sleaker »

I noticed that quite a few city areas have 55%+ Black Men to 45%- Black Women. If births are relatively equal, that means that the 'Missing' numerics from some of the cities can't necessarily be 100% due to incarceration or death. Now the total # is still accurate as it takes national totals (if we're assuming that Black Men and Women leave the country in equal numbers). You can't just count an imbalance in a city/state as 'missing' otherwise we could reverse this and say that Oregon/Washington have lots of missing Black women in equally appalling percentages.
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