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Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M

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Re: Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M

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I get hard working and low crime, but why does homogeneity make a country rich?

It's a dog whistle for "if a country's racial identity remained pure everything would've been fine".

It's nothing to do with race. You need to gain the mindset that not everything is about race.

Re: Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M

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post #33

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> This is only about the Schengen, Switzerland is not a part of the EU Not really, the bilateral are a package and the EU doesn't want CH to pick and chose. If freedom of movement stops, a whole lot of thing also stop. It happened the last time SVP got something similar voted on (introduction of quota for foreign immigration), on a smaller scale (erasmus and horizon which are the higher ed and academic research colla…

> the bilateral are a package and the EU doesn't want CH to pick and chose It really depends who is in power where when and if the 10mm limit is crossed. If there is a conservative in Paris or Berlin, chances are Switzerland can simply abrogate Schengen.

Where do you pull this kind of nonsense from? This didn't work out for much bigger UK and UK isn't sorrounded by EU.

Re: Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M

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It's a dog whistle for "if a country's racial identity remained pure everything would've been fine".

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People talking about dog whistles constantly state that as if it's fact, instead of them just being race-brained.

Re: Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M

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Does EU have the USA problem where most farmers are basically sharecroppers where they are mandated where they can buy their seed, buy their fertilizers, where they buy their chicks/sows/calfs, what equipment they can buy, how they can repair their equipment, where they can sell their crops, and at what specific prices all from a single undemocratic corporation? In the USA it's basically corporations that run everyth…

Swiss here, living in a small town quite close to farmers. I would expect if it was the case here, I would have heard about it, given my proximity. I'm aware of this "arrangement" in the US, never heard of it happening anywhere in the EU - I haven't done a comprehensive study though, maybe someone with more knowledge can say more.

Re: Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M

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Imagine how crazy it is to think "Switzerland out of Schengen" isn't. It's a small, landlocked country, surrounded on all sides by Schengen nations, that until recently delegated air defense to the EU outside of their air force's office hours . https://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2014/feb/19/swis...

When the neighboring countries become a threat again, they will place high explosives back inside the bridges and mountain passes.

Well they also blow up 70% of their exports? :P

Re: Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M

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post #315

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Nobody in Switzerland is worried about the population growing due to birthrate. This referendum is about stopping immigration (even though in Switzerland more than anywhere else, immigration is at the foundation of the country's wealth).

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source?

Re: Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M

#367

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It doesn't work as straightforward as that. To have a healthy immigration channel, especially if you want younger/educated/skilled/etc. the pipeline needs to be active and streamlined. Jobs, housing, a well-beaten path that is predictably navigable is incredibly important for a migrant, since they're taking a lot of risks moving there. If this referendum blocks EU movement, it will choke the pipeline that's filling p…

Counterpoint: Switzerland is rich, peaceful and pretty multicultural. That baseline will keep it as an attractive place to expat or migrate.

Counter-conterpoint : For now.

A large part of this is due to bilateral agreements and free flow migration. This referendum directly affects that.

Re: Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M

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post #327

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Switzerland does not have a homogenous population, and to a reasonable person who has travelled in Switzerland I think this is an insane thing to be defending. A significant proportion of the population (certainly for Europe) do not even share a common first language. Significant proportions sit on different sides of the reformation which is again a big deal for Europe. etc

I think that it's pretty obvious that the user that you're responding to is using the term 'homogenous' as a euphemism for "white"

Then they should say white. I'm prepared to give a lot of leeway when conversing with non-native speakers but as somebody who has grown up within a culture that understands that the concept of cultural homogeneity cannot refer to native speakers of non-mutually-comprehensible languages or historically antithetical religious positions, if they choose to use the word in novel ways that's their problem not mine!

Re: Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M

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Yeah, but while Belgium is basically a huge plain, Switzerland is 60% Alps. If you account for that, the effective density of Switzerland on the usable area is 600–700 people/km².

Looks like it’s 380 in the Swiss Plateau (you might be mixing up sq km and sq mi), which puts its at about ~70% of the population density of the Netherlands as a whole. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Plateau

Fair, I had a quick look, 600-700 is likely for the big cities areas.

Re: Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M

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This initiative is a trap. Essentially, it would allow for the termination of bilateral agreements with Europe. This is what the SVP has been trying to do for decades, and this initiative provides them with a convenient excuse. And it’s particularly ironic because the SVP has always opposed legislation promoting sustainability.

> And it’s particularly ironic because the SVP has always opposed legislation promoting sustainability.

I was just telling someone this today! Very business-friendly party, with the exception of immigration policy, ofc.

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