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Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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Post by noisy_boy »

flax wrote: post #193
anon7000 wrote: post #142

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Mazda has done a great job at this so far, very minimal screen which automatically just shows CarPlay, and buttons for all the normal car stuff, which also isn’t overdone. The only flaw is the scroll wheel to interact with the screen, which is just slightly too clunky in apps with too many options

My 2017 Mazda cx5 refuses to not play the radio. There is no "off" for the audio, you have to choose a source. I use my phone, via bluetooth. But sometimes, for unknown reasons, the car does not connect with the phone. It then falls back to the last source chosen before BT, which is radio. Okay, so I created a flash drive with an mp3 of 30 seconds of silence, played that, then went back to bluetooth. This failback st…

Use the volume button as "functional on/off" for the radio.

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Post by throwaway29812 »

sweeter wrote: post #174
smartmic wrote: post #30

So I have serious thoughts about driving “software defined vehicles” in the future. I mean, and the article has confirmed this sufficiently, the core competence of the established car manufacturers is not software. I don't trust the newcomers like Tesla or the Chinese manufacturers for the time being. In my opinion, the same standards should apply to software in motor vehicles as in the aviation industry. And there c…

I'd trust BYD more than Tesla but I don't want to have to trust anyone. I drove a 20 year old Honda still to this day, but literally every new car has software in it and it won't be an option in the future. It's just too profitable to gather the data that they generate. It's a privacy nightmare. I'm still appalled that Tesla got caught pulling footage of people having sex in their own vehicles, but the legal world ha…

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Post by bluGill »

gerdesj wrote: post #321
latchkey wrote: post #297

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Oh, I wish they would install tiny horn buttons on all the vehicles in Vietnam! In that country, the horn is a method of communication, much to the ire of literally everyone trying to exist.

Excessive horning (made up word) is not just a Vietnamese thing. Italy is probably Europe's worst offender, with Greece a close contender. I'm not so familiar with Asia, but I get the impression that the entirety of Indian and most of Chinese drivers feel the need to lean on the horn with gay abandon (fnarr). In Britain the horn is generally reserved for "fuck that was close: I think you are a bit of a tosser" or "yo…

In india if you hit someone after sounding your horn you are not at fault as you gave warning and they didn't move. (It is far more complex than that but as always the real truth is too complex for a comment box - if you are trying to drive safe it is close enough, but this isn't a license to murder), As a result all drives will honk their own if there is any possibility someone might cross in front of them.

India is getting a lot stricter about driving rules, and I hven't been there for a few years. I would expect the above to change as people realize that the horn doesn't really work for that purpose anyway. But change is always slow.

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Post by DidYaWipe »

hedora wrote: post #333
DidYaWipe wrote: post #319

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Thanks. Seems to be some kind of Audi-specific branding. No wonder these clowns still can't put together a car radio that works reliably, let alone an automotive interconnect system; they're still using the term "multimedia." Welcome to CD-ROMs, circa 1994.

Audi, BMW, Volvo, Mini, and others. It think it’s a standard for “events happen on cam bus”, “there is a not-hdmi display in the dashboard”, and “there are analog amplified audio out jacks for the speakers”. From the consumer end, it looks remarkably sane. Like “there’s a dev kit for the computer on github” levels of sane.

Is there?

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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Post by wbl »

hedora wrote: post #356
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For commuter with charging access at office or home EV makes sense. For me making 300+ mile round trips with no charging infra (pull in at the gas station in the foothills) and low overall mileage EV is trickier.

If that’s your common use case (with no stop on the destination side of the trip), then it’d limit your options to high range vehicles.

There's a stop, it's just in the middle of nowhere. 20 minute charge would be annoying but survivable assuming they had them in say Lone Pine. And yeah, 20 something mpg and 16 gallon tank multiplies out to a large range.

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Post by bluGill »

noisy_boy wrote: post #361
flax wrote: post #193

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My 2017 Mazda cx5 refuses to not play the radio. There is no "off" for the audio, you have to choose a source. I use my phone, via bluetooth. But sometimes, for unknown reasons, the car does not connect with the phone. It then falls back to the last source chosen before BT, which is radio. Okay, so I created a flash drive with an mp3 of 30 seconds of silence, played that, then went back to bluetooth. This failback st…

Use the volume button as "functional on/off" for the radio.

I have tried that (not on a Mazda). The radio is still there playing whatever and if there is a valid station the now playing song has to be shown on the other useful screen. On I got the system to default to radio off, but that means I can't control my heated seats w=ithout turning the system on - there are several seconds of noise between getting the system on and it responding tol the volumn knob.

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Post by timewizard »

signatoremo wrote: post #341
timewizard wrote: post #179

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> ISO 26262. That is a piece of paper. > Software for steering or braking systems is of high quality. There's literally no way for me to know that before I trust my life with it.

You literally trust your life with medical devices full of software, those that conform to “piece of paper” standards, such as ISO 15708

> You literally trust your life with medical devices full of software

I do not. A more charitable way to phrase that is "We are all expected to." And yes, well spotted, this problem extends well beyond vehicles. Or are you suggesting that this is somehow indicative that there are no problems? How would we all know if there _was_ an error in a device?

> those that conform to “piece of paper” standards, such as ISO 15708

That standard deals with non destructive testing and has no material that is related to the practice of medicine or the use of medical imaging scanners. It's not even the right piece of paper.

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Post by bluGill »

majormajor wrote: post #308
moduspol wrote: post #295

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I was quite interested in this until I realized: * Bed size is just five feet * Towing capacity is just 1000 lbs * Not AWD None of these can be retrofitted after the sale. Where I live, it'd struggle to be called a "truck" with these limitations.

Meh. Base Maverick is a Not everyone wants to spend 40-80k on a bloated luxury-truck-ized F150 when they only need to carry something oversized maybe once a year.

the f150 ev doesn't have a long bed. for those of us who haul stuff no truck works (until we step to the f250 or bigger)

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Post by owenversteeg »

hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #140
ratatoskrt wrote: post #119

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...why? Seems pretty sensible to me?

https://transport.ec.europa.eu/transport-themes/smart-mobili... Can you explain why these protections are not sufficient for privacy? > 112 eCall is not a black box. It does not record constantly the position of the vehicle, it records only a few data to determine the position and direction of the vehicle just before the crash and these data are only transmitted to emergency call centers if there is a serious crash.…

>112 eCall is not a black box. It does not record constantly the position of the vehicle, it records only a few data to determine the position and direction of the vehicle just before the crash and these data are only transmitted to emergency call centers if there is a serious crash.

That statement is factually inconsistent. Either 112 eCall incorporates a time travel device or it must constantly record the position and direction of the vehicle and other data. In theory, that data is then deleted, but you have no way to verify that it is - and it would only require a trivial, unnoticeable software update to modify this.

Thankfully, we're safe. Car software is notoriously high quality and rarely hacked. All governments are fully trustworthy, especially around espionage and privacy, and have a perfect track record of never lying to the public.

Look, the European Commission stated that it cannot be hacked; "hackers cannot take control of it", from ec.europa.eu. They built an unhackable device. I am not sure what you could be worried about. If the government tells you something cannot be hacked, then it cannot be hacked. Furthermore, none of the EU member states have been found using other infrastructure to violate privacy laws.

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