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China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by tw1984 »

maxglute wrote: post #331
tw1984 wrote: post #276

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Are you kidding? Guess why most those recently emerged Chinese high tech companies (DeepSeek, Game Science, Unitree etc) are all located in Hangzhou? Because property prices are insane in tier-1 Chinese cities like Shanghai which is just 200km away from Hangzhou. You know it is a huge ponzi scheme when even those well paid high tech engineers couldn't afford a modest apartment in those major cities. $3m USD buys you…

TIL hangzhou/new tier1 is a "modest" city. It's a sick world class city. Yeah, PRC RE in T1/2 cities stupid expensive, but highly compensated PRC talent always have option to rent for dirt cheap in T1 and buy something nice in T2/T3 city with a few years wage. Many highly paid Hangzhou tech workers renting in nice districts while buying equally nice in less expensive cities close by, i.e. renting nice condos in Binji…

I don't know what you are smoking but that thing must be pretty strong.

Hangzhou is horrible place to live, if you check the PM2.5 of Jan and Feb 2025, a total of 5 days had PM2.5 readings below 75. That causes China to have the highest rate of lung cancer in the entire world. Interestingly, this is suddenly not even considered as "QoL".

Your entire argument that people on wages 10x to 20x times of the local average are still being priced out of the city should just buy into places further 400km out is the exact proof that there is no QoL whatsoever. Why should any "AI leader" be forced to buy in a city 400km away from his workplace if the whole propaganda is about QoL.

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Post by blitzar »

rcpt wrote: post #173
immibis wrote: post #166

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Remember though, China is still a totalitarian dictatorship at least as bad as the USA. It's not the same situation.

I don't think we'll see born-in-the-USA Americans moving to Shenzhen anytime soon. But a huge fraction of our workforce is immigrants who have given up their homeland and distanced themselves from their families and communities in search of opportunities here. The fact that we're driving them away now does not bode well for our future economy.

You should visit Shenzhen. Plenty of born-in-the-USA Americans (+ European etc) there.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by blitzar »

tw1984 wrote: post #355
rozenmd wrote: post #319

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What are you talking about?

in sydney, you face property prices not cheaper than the bay area, but the same tech job is going to pay you 30-40% of what you'd expect on the other side of the world.

In London we have higher property prices, lower wages, no sunshine and no beaches.

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Post by gildas »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #267
gildas wrote: post #202

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I'm sorry but it's normal. You don't have the right to offend people online or not.

You can’t have free speech without being able to offend. And you can’t have democracy without free speech.

Yes, but in this case, there's nothing to stop you from apologizing and possibly discuss the offending point so that it doesn't happen again.

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Post by gildas »

refurb wrote: post #308
gildas wrote: post #202

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I'm sorry but it's normal. You don't have the right to offend people online or not.

What you just said offends my beliefs in fundamental human right to free speech. Who do I call to press charges?

I sincerely apologize again if you found my response offensive. You can contact your local police to make a complaint, I suppose.

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Post by tw1984 »

tokioyoyo wrote: post #322
tw1984 wrote: post #316

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> Public safety, convenience, unlimited amount of options for basically anything are stuff that people pay premiums for. by paying 100 years of local average salary for a modest apartment in a not that desirable location? that is not "pay premiums", that is modem slavery. stop spreading your misinformation, life in China is like the Nightmare mode of DOOM2.

Do you live in China or Asia? Again we’re talking about top talent.

dude, being able to order takeaway junk food 24/7 to your significantly over priced high rise apartment completed 3 years ago with a designed life span of 30 years is not quality of life.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by tw1984 »

blitzar wrote: post #363
tw1984 wrote: post #355

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in sydney, you face property prices not cheaper than the bay area, but the same tech job is going to pay you 30-40% of what you'd expect on the other side of the world.

In London we have higher property prices, lower wages, no sunshine and no beaches.

where is london?

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Post by wordofx »

maxglute wrote: post #335
wordofx wrote: post #329

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600m people in China live in poverty despite claims of the CPC eliminating it. Traveling around China you see this. Showing off main cities is not proof that people don’t live in poverty. Low crime is simply not true. Most crimes are not reported or swept under the rug as local statistics are reported back to the central government and no one wants to look bad. But wow if you have Weibo you can see some pretty horrib…

Irrelevant argument because how rich people (subjects we're talking about) live in rich areas (i.e. main cities) =/= how poor people live in poor areas. Frankly average Chinese poverty in T4+ villages is pretty quaint compared to seeing junkies everywhere. It's more humbling, not disturbing. Of course you can find statistical outlier crimes on social media, but daily life is not filled with the levels of social decay…

One of the benefits to China is the low drug use. But you’re blind if you can’t find insane amount of homeless people in Beijing or shanghai. Or that most people there are struggling. If you want to live with tunnel vision then it’s an amazing place to live. (Shanghai cos I didn’t live in any other city. Only travelled)

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Post by rdm_blackhole »

makeitdouble wrote: post #42
atq2119 wrote: post #9

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In the European countries that I've bothered to look, crime statistics are actually down. It's just the perception of crime that is up. Think about who might benefit from creating this kind of misleading perception.

I looked at France and Germany, there was a clear downward trend for a long time, yet it bumped before the pandemic, got super low for the 2-3 years of it, and is steadily rising again. Comparatively they are still incredibly safe countries, and the sentiment of insecurity has always been disproportionate to reality and politically exploited. But people feeling the social climate deteriorating is also spot on, the ec…

> Comparatively they are still incredibly safe countries, and the sentiment of insecurity has always been disproportionate to reality and politically exploited.

In 2005 France's domestic intelligence network, the Renseignements Generaux, identified 150 "no-go zones" around the country where police would not enter without reinforcements.

I am guessing, the sentiment of insecurity must be pretty strong in these areas if the cops don't even go there anymore.

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Post by rdm_blackhole »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #17
atq2119 wrote: post #9

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In the European countries that I've bothered to look, crime statistics are actually down. It's just the perception of crime that is up. Think about who might benefit from creating this kind of misleading perception.

It can be misleading in other ways For instance it is trivial for a country to reduce crime statistics simply by making things that used to be crimes legal

There is so much petty crime that is no longer reported in France because people know the cops won't do anything about.

What's the point of reporting it if you know that nothing will come out of it? I had my car broken into, my phone stolen on the train, I have been harassed on public transport. Guess how many times the perpetrators were fined/convicted?

A big fat 0. And some of that stuff happened in areas with multiple "security" cameras who witnessed the whole thing.

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