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Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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How does Meta cooperate with the authorities? Isn't Whatsapp supposed to be end-to-end encrypted?

I find it funny that they claim to be “end-to-end” at least once they have censored one of my messages.

The receiving end shared your message with the administrators? E2e doesn't mean you aren't allowed to do what you want with the messages you receive, they are yours.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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post #316

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if i put up a random E2E encrypted messaging side project i made on github and then people started using it for CSAM? People use government built sidewalks to sell drugs, does that mean I can sue the govt for the drug trade?

The original comment had two prerequisites: 1. If drug dealers used my backyard. 2. If I knew about it and did absolutely nothing about it. And yes, if the government knows about someone selling drugs and does nothing about it, you can sue the government . At least in theory, in countries not ridden with corruption (which probably aren't that many).

> if the government knows about someone selling drugs and does nothing about it, you can sue the government.

at least in the US, there are only a few limited times the government is open to civil litigation - and nonenforcement of the law is not usually one of them

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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Because those providers cooperate with authorities and moderate their content to a fairly large degree?

There is a simpler explanation, those providers are controlled by Western governments (read US)

There's a simpler explanation. Those providers make an earnest attempt to obey western law.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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French lawyer here, it's difficult to know anything as of now given that's all the information is covered by secrecy as long as he's in preliminary custody.

Neither him nor his lawyers have access to the procedure yet.

This will last for 48 hours from his arrest - it can be 96 hours if they decide his suspected crimes are about drugs or prostitution, and even 144 hours if it's about terrorism.

So we'll probably need to wait for a few days before understanding what this is really about.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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post #86

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Telegram is for the most part not end-to-end encrypted, one to one chats can be but aren't by default, and groups/channels are never E2EE. That means Telegram is privy to a large amount of the criminal activity happening on their platform but allegedly chooses to turn a blind eye to it, unlike Signal or WhatsApp, who can't see what their users are doing by design. Not to say that deliberately making yourself blind to…

if its not not end-to-end encrypted, what does that mean? whats the method that govts access these messages?

You can simply join those channels. Getting an invite is not hard, or even unnecessary, from what I hear.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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> jpost.com > • 5 hours ago > Pavel Durov, Telegram founder, arrested by France following warrant - The Jerusalem Post > The alleged offenses include: terrorism, narcotic supply, fraud, money laundering and receiving stolen goods. For those unaware, all channel on telegram are NOT ENCRYPTED. They are stored in plaintext on telegram servers. All chats that are not 'secret chat' mode (single device to single device) ar…

> They are stored in plaintext on telegram servers FYI, this is a totally misleading and false claim. Telegram uses the MTProto 2.0 Cloud algorithm for non-secret chats[1][2]. In fact, it uses a split-key encryption system and the servers are all stored in multiple jurisdictions. So even Telegram employees can't decrypt the chats, because you'd need to compromise all the servers at the same time. Telegram's algorithm…

This rebuttalakes no sense to me. What you cite is about about transport encryption. App -> Server. The end of the process is that the receiver (Telegram servers) receives a decrypted (plaintext) message, just as kelsey98765431 is saying.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

#367

This seems like the Kim Dotcom situation again. Why are these service providers being punished for what their users do? Specifically, these service providers? Because Google, Discord, Reddit, etc. all contain some amount of CSAM (and other illegal content), yet I don't see Pichai, Citron, or Huffman getting indicted for anything. Hell, then there's the actual infrastructure providers too. This seems like a slippery s…

Because those providers cooperate with authorities and moderate their content to a fairly large degree?

For Reddit it is a bit documented how some power-mods used to flood subreddits with child porn to get them taken down. It was seemingly done with the administration's best wishes. Not sure if it still going on, but some of these people are certainly around, in the same positions.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

#369

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Why don’t they arrest telecom CEOs for allowing terrorists to have uncensored phone calls with each other?

You do realize the police wiretap and get metadata from phone companies all the time, right? Not event counting Five Eyes stuff.

But why don’t they arrest them for allowing it to happen? Phone calls should be actively moderated to block customers who speak about terrorist activity.

Re: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

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This seems like the Kim Dotcom situation again. Why are these service providers being punished for what their users do? Specifically, these service providers? Because Google, Discord, Reddit, etc. all contain some amount of CSAM (and other illegal content), yet I don't see Pichai, Citron, or Huffman getting indicted for anything. Hell, then there's the actual infrastructure providers too. This seems like a slippery s…

It's like mafia. If you cooperate, you're safe. If not, mafia destroys you
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