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Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by nox101 »

nox101 wrote: post #360
bombcar wrote: post #183

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Apple TV already exists as a set-top box. And even something similar embedded in some TVs. What I could see Apple doing is some kind of "Made for Apple TV" feature that combines eArc, HDMI, etc, and makes the TV turn into a "dumb TV" for the Apple TV when it is connected and detected.

That's not the point. That is what I have now and my tv starts up in a big ugly display with an ad for Google TV and an admonition to enable it. I've read online some smart tvs will complain, often, to please connect them. I'd like a tv that works for me, not for the tv manufacturer. It's also got a remote with way too many buttons like "Netflix" "Disney+" etc. Touch them by accident and it immediately goes to "setup…

to be honest, even AppleTV has per app ads I wish I could turn off. Whatever app is highlighted gets to show ads on the top half of the screen. I'd prefer no ads unless I launch the app

Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by nottorp »

monkeynotes wrote: post #49
bombcar wrote: post #16

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The whole thing feels very ... "original xbox" to me. Hear me out. It was argued that a big part of the original xbox for Microsoft was making sure they had a toehold in the gaming console market because that market had a change of disrupting the personal computer - and if that happened, they wanted to be there for it and have something ready to go. They did something similar with phones, and we can see how it specta…

No way will this tech destroy phones as you know them today. What is going to destroy phones is natural language. Maybe, maybe in the distant future this tech will be mature enough to provide the visual support to a natural language first device. xBox addressed a very well defined product sector with a couple of big players doing stuff that is well understood. xBox wasn't a toe in the water, they planned a whole stra…

> What is going to destroy phones is natural language.

So when a group of people meet, instead of all sitting quiet and typing in their phones, they will all talk to their phones at the same time?

Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by gamblor956 »

hbn wrote: post #353
gamblor956 wrote: post #235

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Microsoft sold around the same number of Hololens and that was considered a huge market failure.

Since the beginning? So over the span of like 7 years? And I assume a lot of those are repeat buyers since they released a few revisions. Regardless I don't really think the products are really comparable. Microsoft never really made a good example usecase for what a normal person would use a Hololens for. It was always moonshot, "construction workers will wear them to map out things for work" and "doctors will use i…

Apple hasn't established any use case for the VP beyond watching a very limited selection of movies.

Anybody who can afford the VP for watching movies can afford the place and equipment to have a far superior movie-watching experience.

And as many reviews have noted: the VP has a worse FOV than the Quest 2 or 3, and the same blurriness and artifact issues that the Quest 3 has. The summary consensus is that the VP is the best VR headset on the market, but not 7x its next competitor.

Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by phatskat »

wkat4242 wrote: post #315
renhanxue wrote: post #292

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> just in case this VR stuff takes off I think the last few years have pretty conclusively proven that there is no VR train to miss. It remains mainly a novelty (with some niche uses) and none of its fundamental issues have been resolved.

I think it's pretty great already tbh. I use it almost daily.

I’m curious to know how long you’ve been using it, and what your primary use cases are

Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by phatskat »

jes5199 wrote: post #246
wharvle wrote: post #118

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Like so many Apple things, I thought AirPods were dumb until I got some (as a gift). I'd tried some Logitech wireless earbuds just a couple months before first trying AirPods. Those were dumb. God they sucked. I've avoided the Watch for that reason. The little conveniences of various Apple-thingies are the sort of stuff you can't un-experience, and then you're stuck buying the damn things forever.

I got an Apple Watch in 2019, and I don't wear it anymore. It was just another thing that needed to get charged every day, and none of the apps are very useful, and most of them are buggy and poorly supported.

Mine is used for pretty much only the following:

- controlling Spotify - telling time - monitoring my health stuff - an easy to wear timer - getting filtered notifications of things I want to see without grabbing my phone to check - counting rows for knitting

Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by lobocinza »

GeekyBear wrote: post #196
browningstreet wrote: post #164

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VR headsets have been around for many years now and why does anyone believe a somewhat better version of those things would hit critical mass? It seems like the form factor is as much the problem as any of the implementations. Many people really wanted an Apple version to be a game changer. Maybe this game can’t really be changed?

This isn't the mass market version of the tech. This iteration is a developer kit that early adopters can also buy. Apple has always said that they want a version that fits in a glasses style form factor as their mass market product, but the tech wasn't there yet. > Apple CEO Tim Cook said that it will be a while before the technology available for augmented reality glasses rises to Apple’s standards, according to Br…

You're moving the goal post. This is priced at multiples of what's currently in the market while being worse.

Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by npteljes »

naravara wrote: post #225
npteljes wrote: post #149

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>The part of the demo where the dad played with his kids while wearing the Vision Pro and then watched the playback alone later was disturbing. I'm glad I'm not alone who feels the same. To me, that scene is so out of place, so dystopian that it's outright ridiculous that it's presented in a demo like this.

Every parent I've talked to has found that pretty appealing. We're already looking at pictures and videos of our kids on the phone a lot of the time anyway. Which required us to be holding our phones in hand while playing with our kids. It only seems weird because it's unfamiliar. But it's not more dystopian than trying to capture special moments with a camcorder.

Thanks for sharing this perspective. I'm sure I also do a lot of things that can be construed as pretty sad, when looking from the outside, but in reality, I'm having tons of memorable fun.

What I was reminded by by this trailer is this image actually [0]. And then I had the thought immediately how technology doesn't actually "get us ahead" in a way, but rather, sets a new baseline. I have a car, so I can get faster to work, but since everyone has cars, I'm expected to drive to begin with, and work is further away, so commute still takes a lot of time. With VR, I can see that people don't meet, for example, since they can "see each other" in VR anyways, so why bother. I'd not like to say that this is the only valid way to think, but this was about my thought process, when they flashed that scene in the video. It felt lonely, isolated, only a shell of the good times past. And indeed, it's not very different than doing the same with a camcorder. So if the camcorder can provide access to that special memory, I'm sure this new tech also can.

[0] https://www.deviantart.com/eranfowler/art/Reality-78861805

Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by strunz »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #291
kccqzy wrote: post #285

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GP has said > I plan to use it with a keyboard and mouse anyway And judging from reviews this seems required for productivity. I cannot imagine walking around the room with one hand holding a keyboard and another holding a mouse. Maybe they need to sell a contraption that straps a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse to your body so much you can move around hands free?

Just because you don't see a use case doesn't mean one doesn't exist. The original comment explained perfectly well how they would use it. If that use case suits them, then its their prerogative. This gatekeeping of use cases is so odd; why does it matter so much how someone else uses the device?

It isn't explained in enough detail to understand the benefit. You think just walking around a room and placing windows is a good use case for this incredibly expensive headset? Does that really improve any workflow beyond just being a novelty? Do you think that is a very wide target demographic?

Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by yencabulator »

orangecat wrote: post #139
mostlysimilar wrote: post #94

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Hard disagree. Phones and computers do text/images/video. Voice input and audio output is a poor substitute for text and not at all a replacement for images/video.

Right. And there are too many scenarios where audio I/O isn't usable (quiet libraries, loud streets) so you always need an alternative.

I've been testing Android's dictation stuff while speaking quietly and it works better than I expected. (That is, the mistakes it makes seem to be the same if I were to talk louder; some common repeating misunderstandings, some things where it's thrown off by my accent.) Having the mic close by makes recording a quiet voice much more tractable than hearing it in conversation, we humans tend to stand further apart and mics are better than ears by now.

Not that I'd be advocating this for library study halls!

Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by Aerbil313 »

monkeynotes wrote: post #203
tverbeure wrote: post #115

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Natural language is even worse than video for quick content consumption: you can’t quickly skip through content that way the can fast scroll through a blog post.

Natural language in place of other inputs, the command can result in summoning up a video for you, or a blog post to view. If I am cooking and can hold a whole conversation with my virtual chef,that beats a video though. Talking through ideas at my desk would be great. Talking for navigation while I drive, yes please. Shopping with my headphones on and the device seeing everything I see and making suggestions about d…

I get what you mean and the future you propose really does seem more likely than any other, assuming neuralink doesn't work. However then there's an issue. Apple style on device neural processing seems unlikely for these amounts of constantly on AI capabilites, at least with current hardware, batteries and AI models. So it'll be cloud. Then we'll all be developing natural language apps which run on AWS, paying money constantly to be able o use our own apps developed in our own unpaid time. Though I guess we'll get used to it.

The issue is... I like(d) writing CSS.

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