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Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by acdha »

gurkendoktor wrote: post #345
jsz0 wrote: post #322

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The current trend with Apple is to radically drop features Such as?

So you think OS X server and iSync that I just mentioned were peanuts? Keychain syncing? Xcode is a mess too, Xcode3 is barely supported on 10.7 and breaks when you upgrade your device, and Xcode4 is not backwards compatible with anything.

OS X server was definitely peanuts: they never took it seriously as a product and it's an expensive area to be in. The “support“ process was basically gated by you telling your Apple rep how many Macs you couldn't buy until a bug was fixed.

Put another way, in 2009 at MacWorld there was unanimous consent among my fellow IT track speakers that anyone with non-trivial needs should be using Linux servers for Mac clients, due entirely to the obvious low priority of the server product. Making it a $50 app store add-on is the first step in simply acknowledging that Apple is really a consumer product company and unwilling to devote the significant resources needed to stay competitive in the traditional IT market.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by rimantas »

dean wrote: post #320
tdfx wrote: post #139

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Took me about a week and a half to get over that mentally. Now I can't use my girlfriend's computer who is still on Snow Leopard.

It's not just your girlfriend's computer that will be a problem for you -- it's _any_ other computer. Personally, I think it was a big mistake for Apple to do this. I find it very un-intuitive. Even if the design of the way windows scroll was ultimately an arbitrary decision, it's ingrained now. I think it was silly to change it.

What's un-intuitive about it? On touchscreen—you move your finger up, content moves up. On Lion—you move your finger up, content moves up. Took me 40 minutes to get used.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by ceejayoz »

rmc wrote: post #359
ceejayoz wrote: post #216

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> With Debian and Ubuntu, there is no difficulty installing arbitrary unsigned packages, putting your own binaries on and running them, etc. Changing a single setting in the Preferences app (once!) is "difficult" now?

Yes. Defaults matter. Non-technical users don't know about this computer magic.

Defaults do indeed matter. I'd say the default they've picked is the right one for anyone who thinks computers are magic.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by mark_l_watson »

pwthornton wrote: post #85

The thing I'm by far the most excited about is AirPlay Mirroring. If I'm reading this correctly, I'll be able to mirror anything from my Mac to my TV using an Apple TV. This will be great for watching Internet videos, going through my iPhoto library with my wife, looking at home videos, etc. All without needing a stupid cable from my couch to my TV. The deeper iCloud integration is also intriguing. I assume this mean…

A minor warning: I installed Mountain Lion yesterday on my 1+ year MacBook Pro (core 2 duo, not i5 or i7) and Air Play doesn't seem to work - no icon on menu bar. This makes sense because i5 has some instructions for better video compression. Hopefully older Macs will be supported as the software is tweaked. Otherwise, I like Mountain Lion.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by JonnieCache »

mike-cardwell wrote: post #146
shadowfiend wrote: post #103

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Neither of these will work, because (a) the signing key is per-developer and (b) the entire point is that when your malware is found to be signed with key X, key X is revoked and your software no longer runs. That's the purpose of the system...

He's referring to the master key, which will be used to sign the per developer signing keys. If that is stolen, then it will be possible to sign arbitrary signing keys and issue arbitrary revocation certificates.

>He's referring to the master key

Yeah, that.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by [deleted] »

mike-cardwell wrote: post #146
shadowfiend wrote: post #103

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Neither of these will work, because (a) the signing key is per-developer and (b) the entire point is that when your malware is found to be signed with key X, key X is revoked and your software no longer runs. That's the purpose of the system...

He's referring to the master key, which will be used to sign the per developer signing keys. If that is stolen, then it will be possible to sign arbitrary signing keys and issue arbitrary revocation certificates.

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Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by fuckapple »

apple products are overhyped shit. most of the world's bullshit patent problems go away if they do. don't buy their slave-labored garbage. why do they have so much money in the bank? same reason robber barons did. cost of production doesn't factor in externalities and market price is kept artificially high by trumped up demand.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by stuntmouse »

Lewisham wrote: post #222
glhaynes wrote: post #215

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What is it you're wanting?

A feeling that I'm not buying the same OS each year. Personally, I think Microsoft's strategy of bringing back the hybrid desktop/tablet, where you can do tablet-type things on the road/in bed, then drop it into a dock and go back to mouse and keyboard for work, is pretty sound now. I like what they've done with Windows 8. I like that they're trying . What do I want from Apple? Probably something I don't know I want.…

How would you improve Finder?

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by mark_l_watson »

tvon wrote: post #315
billpatrianakos wrote: post #307

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I read the Gruber article too and I'm not totally at ease yet. In terms or UI I don't mind the new look of things but I do worry about things like iCloud. It's a really excellent idea but I'm not sure if I want my file system in the cloud. Not for security but just for control. I've been in love with the Mac for over five years now and I'm starting to worry. What if I want a different cloud file system other than iCl…

Sort of tangental, but I know the command line tools are not GNU but are they otherwise outdated? I used to install various GNU coreutils packages but decided they weren't really adding anything and in some cases (ls) they were removing functionality. > the system won't allow you to save hidden files (i.e. ".htaccess") and the list goes on. I don't believe that is true, unless you're having problems with a specific e…

Open Xcode 4.4 (just works with Mountain Lion), go to preferences -> downloads, and install the new command line tools.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by seurahepo »

callahad wrote: post #285
cpr wrote: post #174

Sigh. Others have hinted at this, but I'll say it outright: I've been a pretty solid Mac user/developer for 25 years (with a 3-year interlude on Windows + ThinkPad towards the end of classic MacOS, when the lack of true multitasking and a "real" operating system just got unbearable). I suppose it's inevitable, but I really hate to see the Mac become just another part of the whole iOS ecosystem. There's nothing specif…

I'm feeling the same malaise. I want to blame it on the Mac App Store, XCode dropping GNU GCC, Gatekeeper, etc. feeling like a slowly tightening noose, but honestly, I don't think that's it. After all, I'm willing to put up with the same sort of signed software model on Android. Still, if someone can point me to a hassle-free Linux laptop in a MacBook Air form factor, I'll jump ship in a heartbeat.

Going to LLVM and dropping GCC is the best single Dev Tools related choice Apple has done since acquiring NeXT.
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