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Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by tristan_louis »

ori_b wrote: post #65

" OS X Mountain Lion arrives this summer. With all-new features inspired by iPad, the Mac just keeps getting better and better. " Am I the only person that doesn't want an ipad on the desktop?

You're not. The continuing IOSification of OSX is something that has been bugging me too and part of why, to date, I've yet to upgrade to Lion. It looks like Apple wants to create a more iOS-like approach across all its products, which is fine if you buy into the whole ecosystem.

It also seems there's a trend here, with Apple bringing iOS increasingly into OSX and Microsoft bringing Windows Phone into Windows 8, the only operating systems which still are aimed primarily at computer users are Unix or Linux based.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by feralchimp »

I for one welcome our new OS-level code signature verification overlords. May they smite evil and incompetence swiftly and brutally...except when 'evil' is defined by foreign governments, domestic law enforcement, or fair competition with built-in features.

With great power comes great "you guys better not fuck this up."

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by shadowfiend »

JonnieCache wrote: post #55
mike-cardwell wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Malware writers will just get free ids and sign their malware. Will all of these OSX devices be regularly polling Apple to get a list of revoked certs? I guess this would be useful to prevent malware being installed, but it's not going to be massively useful to remove already installed malware. Especially if that malware can interrupt the polling. I wonder how difficult it will be to get developer IDs. Might be a mar…

>Malware writers will just get free ids and sign their malware. Or, the signing key will be stolen, like it always is. I'd wager that blackhats around the world are currently tendering to cartels for this contract as we speak.

Neither of these will work, because (a) the signing key is per-developer and (b) the entire point is that when your malware is found to be signed with key X, key X is revoked and your software no longer runs. That's the purpose of the system...

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by josteink »

st3fan wrote: post #30
pilif wrote: post #13

It seems like the OS is either defaulting to allowing only only App Store applications or at least only (Apple-)signed applications: http://www.apple.com/macosx/mountain-lion/security.html It's still possible to turn this off, but I have a feeling that we should enjoy our freedom to run GNU grep instead of BSD grep for as long as it lasts.

Read what Gruber writes about that Gatekeep feature: My favorite Mountain Lion feature, though, is one that hardly even has a visible interface. Apple is calling it “Gatekeeper”. It’s a system whereby developers can sign up for free-of-charge Apple developer IDs which they can then use to cryptographically sign their applications. If an app is found to be malware, Apple can revoke that developer’s certificate, render…

Read what Gruber writes about that Gatekeep feature:

Read what the world's biggest Mac-shill has to say to defend the world's least open company and biggest patent-troll?

Thanks, but no thanks.

I'll go for something open and free, and you wont get anything like that out of Cupertino.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by bergie »

jws wrote: post #46
saturdaysaint wrote: post #32

-I'd probably pay $30 for the Airplay feature alone. -I don't know how Apple thinks they can push these web-enabled apps that only work on their platforms. A chat app that basically only lets you interact with Apple customers is kind of comical. -Gatekeeper won't win over any Apple critics, but it's actually more flexible/open than what a lot of people feared was coming (ie "App Store apps only"). -Notifications and…

A chat app that basically only lets you interact with Apple customers is kind of comical. – would be. Thankfully you probably know people with AIM, XMPP, or SMS chat identities. And iChat works with those too. From the official Apple pages: Messages supports iMessage and instant messaging services such as AIM, Jabber, Google Talk, and Yahoo! Messenger.

It would be great if they brought those other protocols to the iOS Messages app as well

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by janus »

orionlogic wrote: post #96
pwthornton wrote: post #85

The thing I'm by far the most excited about is AirPlay Mirroring. If I'm reading this correctly, I'll be able to mirror anything from my Mac to my TV using an Apple TV. This will be great for watching Internet videos, going through my iPhoto library with my wife, looking at home videos, etc. All without needing a stupid cable from my couch to my TV. The deeper iCloud integration is also intriguing. I assume this mean…

I am excited as well in AirPlay Mirroring so i watched several times in the demo. It seems video plays with Quicktime. So lot's of video formats are not compatible like mkv's, iso's etc... If somehow i am able to mirror VLC i will run and buy Apple TV at once.

If you install Perian, Quicktime supports expands to include many more formats http://perian.org/

But I agree and would welcome the support for VLC too!

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by sirn »

pilif wrote: post #74
Tyrannosaurs wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hold on, XCode is free (without a developer login) you could install that and write the app. You can then publish it on websites exactly as you did and those who choose the appropriate security setting can run it. You have a smaller audience yes, but you can still do what you did. And while this doesn't stop Malware, it does raise the bar a little higher. Out of interest how would you feel about it if developer licen…

Out of interest how would you feel about it if developer licenses were free for students? I would be much happier (to the effect of actually seeing more good than bad in this restriction) if getting that ID was a matter of filling out a form an passing a turing test - so, for example, if any apple ID could be used to get a signing certificate, that would be much better. (edit: this is not about the money. It's about…

I'm willing to bet that Apple is going to allow free certificates without having to pay a cent when Mountain Lion launches; Apple already did this for Safari Extensions, for example. (Safari Extensions must be signed, but anyone can request for a cert.)

It's also interesting that Apple is using the word "the _new_ Developer ID" in their developer site[1].

[1]: https://developer.apple.com/technologies/mountain-lion/

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by ConstantineXVI »

Gring wrote: post #77

According to the screenshots, the spotlight icon is no longer on the top right, getting shuffled over to the left by presumably a new icon to invoke notification center. That's a really bad choice. The corners are the click targets fastest to reach (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fittss_law ), and demoting searching in favor of 'reading messages that have popped up before' doesn't strike me as quite well-balanced.

It gets worse; can also call it up with a two-finger swipe to the left. Not sure why they're so intent on overloading that gesture.

Two fingers in SL:

* Scroll.

Two fingers in ML:

* Scroll

* or back/forward

* or Notification Center

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by andyjohnson0 »

st3fan wrote: post #30
pilif wrote: post #13

It seems like the OS is either defaulting to allowing only only App Store applications or at least only (Apple-)signed applications: http://www.apple.com/macosx/mountain-lion/security.html It's still possible to turn this off, but I have a feeling that we should enjoy our freedom to run GNU grep instead of BSD grep for as long as it lasts.

Read what Gruber writes about that Gatekeep feature: My favorite Mountain Lion feature, though, is one that hardly even has a visible interface. Apple is calling it “Gatekeeper”. It’s a system whereby developers can sign up for free-of-charge Apple developer IDs which they can then use to cryptographically sign their applications. If an app is found to be malware, Apple can revoke that developer’s certificate, render…

I'm wondering if Apple have described the circumstances, apart from the malware scenario, in which they would revoke a developer ID and the associated signing certificate?

Also, do users get the choice to accept a certificate revocation?

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by Tyrannosaurs »

orionlogic wrote: post #96
pwthornton wrote: post #85

The thing I'm by far the most excited about is AirPlay Mirroring. If I'm reading this correctly, I'll be able to mirror anything from my Mac to my TV using an Apple TV. This will be great for watching Internet videos, going through my iPhoto library with my wife, looking at home videos, etc. All without needing a stupid cable from my couch to my TV. The deeper iCloud integration is also intriguing. I assume this mean…

I am excited as well in AirPlay Mirroring so i watched several times in the demo. It seems video plays with Quicktime. So lot's of video formats are not compatible like mkv's, iso's etc... If somehow i am able to mirror VLC i will run and buy Apple TV at once.

From what I can see it's just screen sharing isn't it? Play something in VLC in fullscreen and you're fine. They use Quicktime for the demo because it's an Apple product but I don't believe it's a limitation.

If Apple have to throw Quicktime under the bus to sell more Apple TVs and Macs I think they'll happily do it.

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