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Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by windex »

xNeil wrote: post #257
windex wrote: post #228

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>Execution style hit jobs on rivals? When did these happen? You haven't heard of Uttar Pradesh?

I see what you're getting to - while you're not wrong, you're not right either. They're not carrying hitjobs on rivals or opponents - they're eliminating gang leaders and major criminals. The judiciary is either afraid of giving these gangsters actual sentences, or have been bribed by the gangsters. To solve this, the police has effectively taken the execution of justice into their own hand. I know it may sound absur…

>The gangsters that were killed were a bit like the mafia in that sense

Except that some of them were rival politicians. I'd also want you to look at the number of criminals elected into power before you tell us that "but those killed were criminals, so it's okay." It's systemic rot. Due process doesnt exist in some places and mobs rule.

You see the issue I have with people like you on forums is that you depend on westerners not knowing the details of these things in your country. Your messages appear referenced etc showing that you took time to make those answers, but you seem to miss key points, selectively.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by windex »

xNeil wrote: post #262
closetnerd wrote: post #229

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Is there a source for the 41 lynchings in America?

In my above comment, in order to acertain the data and compare India's statistics to those of the US, I tried googling it, but could not seem to find any reliable answers. As an alternative, I decided to use ChatGPT. Unfortunately, I did not do my due diligence and visit each link - the links seemed to be authentic, and I went along with it. ChatGPT gave me the number 41 and the links that I have mentioned above. Now…

>I tried googling it, but could not seem to find any reliable answers. As an alternative, I decided to use ChatGPT.

Hilarious.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by komadori »

ta1243 wrote: post #303
komadori wrote: post #298

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EU citizenship was established by the Treaty on European Union [1] in 1992. While EU citizenship is different and additional to national citizenship, it does exist in law. [1] https://eur-lex.europa.eu/resource.html?uri=cellar:2bf140bf-...

EU citizenship can be removed, by force, on mass, and has been done for millions of people.

I know, I'm one of them. Nonetheless, it still exists.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by screye »

airocker wrote: post #209
screye wrote: post #164

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We seem to disagree on the basic facts. Don't think anything productive will come out of this. I WILL save this comment and come back to it in 10 years just to be petty. (or eat my own words if it goes that way)

Are you accepting that no amount of contrary data in 10 years would change your mind?

I'd hope that 'total collapse' would be self evident enough that I would not have to look at the data. But, Good data would convince me.

for social collapse, 'Pew Research' has conducted stellar surveys. I'd start there. Another solid metric is low-income refugees. If a measurable number of low-income minorities start leaving India for countries of slightly higher average income (eg: Bangladesh, Philippines, Indonesia), then it's either a sign of collapse or religious authoritarianism. Differential rights is another sign. say for instance, if there exist specific laws that only Indian minorities have to follow nation-wide.

As for press freedoms, every political opposition party should get to have their own newspaper that can be freely shared on social media. ie. exception to exclude any party that actively seeks independence from India. Private universities should be allowed to teach anything that is constitutional, ie: don't teach violent fundamentalism or birth based bigotry. I should be able to call Modi any non-caste-based slur (Fascist, Bigot, Loser, etc.) on social media without getting a case thrown against me or violent assaulted on the streets. The front page of the Caravan or Scroll.in (online subscription based news media, subscription so I know they will be alive unlike ad reliant ones) should still contain a scathing accusation towards the BJP as it always has.

For economics, poverty and safety, the numbers should be easier to obtain. Proxy metrics like electricity availability, internet availability, infrastructure building and use rate, etc. are also great.

Those are my metrics on 3 fronts.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by vadertemp »

Lots of misinformation in the comments. I have been part of the ongoing protests. These actions are the ultimatum of a protest movement by Pakistani's from all walks of life which has been going on since April last year. After exhaustion of all legal and political options the government which has been historically a front for the military establishment has arrested the leader and Ex-PM Imran Khan who has organic and authentic support base in all social classes. The people have been fed up with the current economic situation due to continuous military interventions and are on the streets protesting for the Ex-PMs release and elections which are constitutionally over due. Digital media is completely censored and social media is only accessible through VPNs. The US has deep influence on the Pakistani military with officers being trained in the US ,historic ties and also following the same general command structure and SOP. I believe this is why people in the west will not be given the facts on the situation since the US would not want independent political leadership in Pakistan (The only Nuclear Muslim Nation). We are a peaceful and educated people who are protesting for our fundamental rights and rule of law at the moment and I would urge you to refrain from jumping to conclusions and pray for the freedom, life and liberty of the people of Paksitan.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by acdha »

mandmandam wrote: post #277
acdha wrote: post #18

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Rather than wasting everyone’s time, why don’t you enlighten us about how you think those different concepts should combine? Be sure to include examples.

... Why don't you? If you think such a complex and broad question can be distilled to a pithy HN comment, go right ahead - why demand that I do it? I pointed OP to the words that best enable them to find their own answers. That's not a waste of time, it's useful information that they seem to have lacked. If you don't think that's useful, fine - offer your own answer.

But you didn’t help them: you just added noise if you’re just mentioning two large topics without any connection or examples of plausibly working systems. For example, post scarcity is hypothetical at this point and nothing about it is incompatible with authoritarian governments. Similarly, decentralization covers a lot of ground but satellites are inherently centralized to some extent and there’s little precedent for decentralized funding of something that big, and even terrestrial networking has few examples of a decentralized system resisting attacks by even relatively weak governments.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by themitigating »

cmilton wrote: post #320
usernew wrote: post #231

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are you familiar with the lower middle-class rednecks who form the republican party, and elect people who at every turn scam them, screw them, and try to take away their medical benefits and social security? yes, they do want to be oppressed - but by their own people. not by your people. my wife is a chinese xpat who got her master's here and stayed. when we go to visit her old parents who have a picture of mao on th…

>yes, they do want to be oppressed >being under the boot is safe Do they want oppression or safety?

They want safety regardless of how it's done. Many times this means others, i.e. gays may not be safe.

This doesn't make them good people. Good intentions mean very little when weighed against the outcome.

This is why I hate all republicans

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by anaganisk »

kumarvvr wrote: post #226
anaganisk wrote: post #195

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I don't know what you are trying to say here, but it didn't have to be violent and persist after too, that's exactly what I was saying by "drifting apart". If they felt safer as a separate nation to have their interests protected that shouldn't be the cause of bitterness. Jinnah and Nehru had both been adamant on their stances, former was proponent of federal governance while later a central. India had several bifurc…

You are equating bifurcation of states for political & administrative reasons, within the same country, to splitting a country into two ! When a country is split, crimes committed against those who are migrating to another country will not be prosecuted by the home country, and will not be possible to be prosecuted by the split country. Land, Houses and other immovable assets will be stolen from those who are forced…

neither Gazwa-e-Hind nor Islam as one true religion was not cause or even ideas behind partition. And speaking about Gazwa-e-Hind, while conveniently ignoring Akhand Bharat, is pure propaganda. If you read about Jinnah in old school history books which unfortunately are being edited out by NCERT in India, he was never was religiously motivated. His idea was Muslim population would be a minority in Hindu controlled state, which wasn't far fetched, look at Indian politics right now, which runs on the basis of Muslim hatred. Also claiming things like Gazwa-e-hind(Ignoring Akhand Bharat) and Muslims believing in one true religion and then saying India is tolerant or Muslims and secular becomes an Irony. You can't run both ways. Also the violence during partition were on both sides, not just one side.

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Post by johntiger1 »

sashank_1509 wrote: post #337
dmurray wrote: post #321

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Those seem like very ideologically pure motives to attribute to a political decision. Maybe the generals just think they'd like to run the country for a while, and they've promised their colonels positions of power, and the colonels have promised their lieutenants promotions, and so on all the way down.

These personal reasons would always exist. I’m curious about the justification they would provide to the rest of the world about why they intervened? That gives the moral basis for their use of power. I personally think, even if good rewards existed without a justification to provide that is consistent with their morality/ history of the country it would be very hard for the military to depose a government like they…

Does it matter? Hitler/Stalin/Mao also had 'good reasons' that they claimed for for doing the things they do. End of the day, the military is clinging to power

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by johntiger1 »

vadertemp wrote: post #365

Lots of misinformation in the comments. I have been part of the ongoing protests. These actions are the ultimatum of a protest movement by Pakistani's from all walks of life which has been going on since April last year. After exhaustion of all legal and political options the government which has been historically a front for the military establishment has arrested the leader and Ex-PM Imran Khan who has organic and…

Agree, too many people are buying into the 'clean military' myth
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