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Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by dmurray »

sashank_1509 wrote: post #319

Can someone knowledgeable explain to me why the military keeps intervening. Is this basically the same situation as Turkey had where the military was commanded on Turkey’s founding by the Ataturk to prevent a religious fundamentalist takeover of the country, and so whenever they felt the elected government was becoming too “religious”, they deposed the government (now of course erdogan is in control, because he ensur…

Those seem like very ideologically pure motives to attribute to a political decision.

Maybe the generals just think they'd like to run the country for a while, and they've promised their colonels positions of power, and the colonels have promised their lieutenants promotions, and so on all the way down.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by themitigating »

aww_dang wrote: post #309
usernew wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

are you familiar with the lower middle-class rednecks who form the republican party, and elect people who at every turn scam them, screw them, and try to take away their medical benefits and social security? yes, they do want to be oppressed - but by their own people. not by your people. my wife is a chinese xpat who got her master's here and stayed. when we go to visit her old parents who have a picture of mao on th…

>...lower middle-class rednecks who form the republican party, and elect people who at every turn scam them, screw them, and try to take away their medical benefits and social security? yes, they do want to be oppressed >Mao >...it's paradise for many a housecat. Feels like a non-sequitur to compare opposition to state controlled medical coverage to the charmed life of house cats. People often opt to euthanize their…

Maybe he's saying that lack of education and or genetics causes people to desire control, to have someone who tells them everything will be allright because they can't handle the size and complexity of the modern world.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by sgu999 »

usernew wrote: post #157
skeaker wrote: post #6

I would like to believe there is a future where blocking access to the internet is unilaterally impossible. Major powers being able to pull the rug on what has become a foundation of modern society like this is too scary of a thing to allow. What could the answer be? Satellite-powered relays and DIY-able user devices to talk to them?

What you suggest is impossible, because you are attacking a wrench on the head problem with a coding solution. You can always get a dish and connect to your choice of orbital provider, if your ISP - which is regulated - is blocked. The problem is, guys with guns will come to your door, beat you with a wrench, and put you in jail. Now if we solve for the real issue - lack of freedom because of a ruling class, the tech…

> (EU citizens have no freedom of speech)

As a EU citizen, I really have no clue where you pulled that from. We must have a very different definition of freedom of speech.

I can criticize my government openly and as much as I want but I can't call for a genocide or do a nazi salute. Most of us are perfectly fine with that, but thanks for your concern about our freedom.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by victor106 »

sashank_1509 wrote: post #319

Can someone knowledgeable explain to me why the military keeps intervening. Is this basically the same situation as Turkey had where the military was commanded on Turkey’s founding by the Ataturk to prevent a religious fundamentalist takeover of the country, and so whenever they felt the elected government was becoming too “religious”, they deposed the government (now of course erdogan is in control, because he ensur…

I am sorry to say but at this point Pakistan is a failed state.

It’s fascinating to see how India just leaped ahead of Pakistan even though they both got independence at the same time and were essentially the same people divided based on religion.

I hate to say this but maybe there’s something to be said about religion here.

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Post by selimthegrim »

StanislavPetrov wrote: post #140
ourmandave wrote: post #72

Scrolling through the comments, Imran was arrested for accepting bribes worth billions while in office. Some comments say it's true, the other it's false charges. Does anybody have a credible source for what's really going on? The point of propaganda is not to make people believe it. It is to foster cynicism so that we don’t know what to believe and come to believe that nothing is true, no facts are reliable, and the…

>Does anybody have a credible source for what's really going on? Everyone will have their own take, here is mine: What it boils down to is that Imran Kahn is by far the most popular politician in Pakistan. He was Prime Minister of Pakistan in 2022 when Russia invaded Ukraine. He refused to take sides in the conflict, despite pressure by the US. In March of 2022, Pakistan's Ambassador to the US, Asad Majeed Khan (no r…

Ukraine took Pak side on Kashmir and sold them tanks.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by selimthegrim »

kumarvvr wrote: post #226
anaganisk wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know what you are trying to say here, but it didn't have to be violent and persist after too, that's exactly what I was saying by "drifting apart". If they felt safer as a separate nation to have their interests protected that shouldn't be the cause of bitterness. Jinnah and Nehru had both been adamant on their stances, former was proponent of federal governance while later a central. India had several bifurc…

You are equating bifurcation of states for political & administrative reasons, within the same country, to splitting a country into two ! When a country is split, crimes committed against those who are migrating to another country will not be prosecuted by the home country, and will not be possible to be prosecuted by the split country. Land, Houses and other immovable assets will be stolen from those who are forced…

Jinnah wasn’t religious and didn’t envision a theocratic Pakistan. He thought it would end up like England and Scotland with open borders.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by TeMPOraL »

execveat wrote: post #316
usernew wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you suggest is impossible, because you are attacking a wrench on the head problem with a coding solution. You can always get a dish and connect to your choice of orbital provider, if your ISP - which is regulated - is blocked. The problem is, guys with guns will come to your door, beat you with a wrench, and put you in jail. Now if we solve for the real issue - lack of freedom because of a ruling class, the tech…

> The problem is, guys with guns will come to your door, beat you with a wrench, and put you in jail. Counterpoint: guns, doors, wrenches and jails are tools as well. So, I don't buy this notion that technology can't solve societal issues. It's like saying you can't fix a leaky faucet with a wrench because the real problem is that the pipes are old and rusty. Sure, the root cause may be a societal issue, but that doe…

> Counterpoint: guns, doors, wrenches and jails are tools as well. So, I don't buy this notion that technology can't solve societal issues.

I'd go as far as saying, technology is by far most likely to solve societal issues, but it usually happens indirectly, in ways not easily predicted.

To use your example:

> It's like saying you can't fix a leaky faucet with a wrench because the real problem is that the pipes are old and rusty.

Yes, and technological solution for this ends up being... all the metal pipes getting replaced with plastics, because plastics are that amazing and petroleum industry made them cheap as dirt. There are many "technological solutions" at play here, most of them have nothing to do with plumbing, but together they both make the plastic pipes possible, and through economics, make them suddenly appear in everyone's houses.

(The whole setup of course comes with new problems in other areas, but that's almost always the case with any solution to anything.)

> I mean, imagine telling a doctor not to prescribe medicine to a sick patient because the real issue is poor lifestyle choices.

This is what a good chunk of the world believes, and tries to tell the doctors and patients alike. I consider this to be "fuck you advice"; "poor lifestyle choices" are usually not actually choices, and lifestyle changes are much, much harder to implement (often impossible in practice) compared to a medical intervention.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by sgu999 »

mrtksn wrote: post #268
usernew wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you suggest is impossible, because you are attacking a wrench on the head problem with a coding solution. You can always get a dish and connect to your choice of orbital provider, if your ISP - which is regulated - is blocked. The problem is, guys with guns will come to your door, beat you with a wrench, and put you in jail. Now if we solve for the real issue - lack of freedom because of a ruling class, the tech…

> EU citizens have no freedom of speech Although this is not a EU thing, thus varies country by country, that’s something I’m not happy about the European approach to freedom of speech. It’s usually the Nazi stuff and defamation that is not allowed, so it doesn’t affect most people but still is in principle I would prefer the absolute free speech. The American approach is better on this.

> The American approach is better on this.

It is not if you're the victim of the so called "freedom of speech" of others and can't do anything about it... The US also doesn't have absolute freedom of speech, just a different set of rules that makes them believe they do.

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Post by skippyboxedhero »

peanuty1 wrote: post #100
markdown wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bill and Hillary Clinton. Mega-rich after decades of public service, lol.

Gotta love those million dollar speaking fee paychecks.

You must not know about Hilary's profits "trading" hog futures. Or Whitewater.
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