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Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by GordonS »

bmitc wrote: post #80
gorjusborg wrote: post #15

I've never owned a Hyundai, but stuff like this makes me want to look at them. I recently bought what I thought was a car, only to find it is a tech-ridden abomination. I want a vehicle that is reliable. I want a vehicle that is simple. I do not want a rolling AI/touchscreen. Even just from a security standpoint I want minimal software in my car.

As a counter to all the replies, I have owned nothing but Hyundai and Kia since high school, and my family has owned several Kia and Hyundai vehicles. It would take something very major for me to consider another brand. Their warranties are outstanding and long. My Kia engine was part of a recall, had an issue, but was then replaced out of warranty for free in less than a week during 2020. The engine now has a lifeti…

I'd like to buy Kia or Hyundai, but personally I find the interiors both look and feel "cheap", even on the high-end models like the Kia Stinger. Interiors from BMW, Mercedes, Audi and Volvo look and feel so much more luxurious.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by mrobins »

rippercushions wrote: post #220
cdepman wrote: post #75

Wonderful. I recently rented a model 3 and found it incredibly frustrating that it required multiple touches to adjust settings that would be a single button press on a more traditional car. Don’t even get me started on the windshield wipers - a total nightmare in winter storms and located on the left stalk? These are safety concerns. As long as humans are operating these dangerous vehicles, I vote for fewer driver d…

I almost didn't buy a Tesla because of my concerns over the lack of controls, but turns out that while driving, it's rarely if ever necessary to touch the screen, because there's voice commands for everything (navigate to X, climate control off, etc). Plus often you don't need to do anything at all: the lights switch on automatically if it's dark, the windshield wipers activate automatically if there's moisture, etc.…

Voice commands can be inconvenient and unnatural. In the middle of a conversation having to wait for someone to pause and then interrupt a conversation to interact with a vehicle is poor user experience. It goes against our natural ability to multitask. Also not great when you have sleeping passengers.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by kristopolous »

_AzMoo wrote: post #353
kristopolous wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really want an option like this Enable [ X ] Audio [ ] Phone Calls Because I never, not one single time, wanted a phone call to blast over my car audio. Not once. I can't be the only one that has wanted the car to be a speakerphone exactly 0 times. Heck maybe someone is the opposite. They love terrestrial radio or their CD collection and also the speakerphone feature. Give people options.

Why wouldn't you want that? Do you not take calls in your car?

I consider calls private and it makes me uncomfortable

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by moffkalast »

tastysandwich wrote: post #154

When researching family cars recently, I literally avoided the Honda CR-V just because the AC was controlled via the touch screen. There's a "Climate" button, which brings up a screen on the display where you can turn the aircon on/off, up/down, etc. It's just horrendous. Give me my dials. My worst gripe - which all modern cars have - is the aggressive bluetooth auto-connect. If my wife takes the car, it will automat…

> If I'm using headphones, it will just pinch the audio from them.

Man the bluetooth protocol really is something. Never connects when you want it to, won't pair or unpair, but when you don't want to use it it'll force a connect.

And the thing is practically wifi, I am always at a loss as to how did they manage to mess it up so badly.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by cnity »

tastysandwich wrote: post #154

When researching family cars recently, I literally avoided the Honda CR-V just because the AC was controlled via the touch screen. There's a "Climate" button, which brings up a screen on the display where you can turn the aircon on/off, up/down, etc. It's just horrendous. Give me my dials. My worst gripe - which all modern cars have - is the aggressive bluetooth auto-connect. If my wife takes the car, it will automat…

Reminds me of this gem: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32163667

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by hnarn »

erwinator wrote: post #367

Imo, a large number of people grew up with tablets. Even my own kids, in the back of the car finishing games while driving. In 10-20 years most buttons will be gone in cars. Because the new generation is so used to using touchscreens.

I think that’s beside the point. There’s probably professional pilots active today that “grew up with tablets” but I don’t think anyone wants cockpits to replace knobs and levers with touchscreens.

In a car you can get away with this kind of compromise because there’s an idea that it’s what people “want”, but my personal opinion is that car makers have a responsibility to ensure that design changes they make do not impact the safety of drivers, and I have a hard time thinking that isn’t a problem with touchscreens, because you simply cannot interface with the car anymore without averting your eyes the same way you can with actual buttons.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by LastTrain »

erwinator wrote: post #367

Imo, a large number of people grew up with tablets. Even my own kids, in the back of the car finishing games while driving. In 10-20 years most buttons will be gone in cars. Because the new generation is so used to using touchscreens.

My kid, who grew up with tablets and is now just old enough to drive, hates touch screens in cars for non nav/infotainment functions. Now, he’s been taught to drive in a car with buttons, so he’s bitten the apple so to speak. If he didn’t know any better you’d probably be right.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by HPsquared »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #246
beAbU wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Hey, last time you drove in me you were listening to music via bluetooth. I found the following _two_ devices that I can connect to. Whuch one do you want?" Perfect solution for the touch screen. Show a bunch of fat icons for all the found and paired devices. Usually it'll be 2-3 devices. Make it easy to tap your option as you are getting settled in the car.

That doesn't come close to being a perfect solution for the touch screen. This one is vastly better: 1. Eliminate the screen. 2. Provide an audio port. 3. When audio comes in through the port, play it over the car speakers.

Then I need to take my phone out of my pocket, find somewhere to put it where I can fiddle with the screen and change tracks while driving. Not ideal...
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