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Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by BlueTemplar »

sparkie wrote: post #203
wpdev_63 wrote: post #192

I thought the alternative to twitter would be maston[0]. It's 'uncensored' federated twitter clone that anyone can create a node and create a social community of their choosing. Not sure how "Parler" is going to be better than twitter with a central point of failure. More political fodder I guess. [0]: https://mastodon.social/about

Mastadon is not "uncensored" either. They put significant effort into blocking gab when it tried integrating into the fediverse. The only real solution to censorship will be a completely distributed system, where users control their own data and associations, and all communication is peer-to-peer, end-to-end encrypted, with zero middle-men.

> They put significant effort into blocking gab when it tried integrating into the fediverse.

Who is 'they' ? The most used servers ?

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by mcphage »

afrojack123 wrote: post #353
cmsefton wrote: post #264

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I've long held the opinion that Twitter and Facebook are just content in the medium, a bit like complaining about Sky, CNN or Fox on TV without looking at television itself and the impact it had on communication. The internet has brought communication to everyone that travels at incredible speed. This has the effect of causing emotive responses, rather than reasoned. Requires no effort at all to respond, and encourag…

Yes and Twitter is FAKE NEWS. It is a known STATED LAW that electorates decide the president. This system was designed by Hamilton to prevent a popular but unfit candidate from becoming president. When somebody stated this on Twitter, Twitter gave this is information may not be correct warning. It is the LAW. Twitter fact checked the law. If Twitter was willing to mind its own business, Parler wouldn't exist.

> This system was designed by Hamilton to prevent a popular but unfit candidate from becoming president.

Whoops!

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by refurb »

notahacker wrote: post #158
refurb wrote: post #121

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I have to agree that big tech really messed this one up. Their attempt at regulating speech on their platforms (entirely their own right to do however they want) has resulted in both sides being pissed . I had commented on this a while ago that it was like War Games - the only way to win this game was not to play at all. The second they started being the arbitrator of speech they were guaranteed to piss people off. T…

I dont think Big Tech got every call right, but I really don't see how they please both sides here. Especially when one side, from the top down, considers everything other than sycophantic praise for its leader to be 'fake news', and the other side has some people opining that even reporting things the other side says without qualification is irresponsible journalism. If anything, I'd say hindsight makes some of thei…

That's exactly my point. They could have been completely fair and impartial and everyone still would have hated them.

That's why the fact they even tried, at least in my mind, guaranteed they would fail.

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Post by BlueTemplar »

timpattinson wrote: post #356
afrojack123 wrote: post #353

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Yes and Twitter is FAKE NEWS. It is a known STATED LAW that electorates decide the president. This system was designed by Hamilton to prevent a popular but unfit candidate from becoming president. When somebody stated this on Twitter, Twitter gave this is information may not be correct warning. It is the LAW. Twitter fact checked the law. If Twitter was willing to mind its own business, Parler wouldn't exist.

if the system was designed to prevent a popular but unfit candiate from becoming president, it's been broken since 2016.

Note that the Republican party is to blame too for that. (As well as the Democrat party.)

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Post by Kye »

BlueTemplar wrote: post #355
Kye wrote: post #348

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I had to accept recently that anything trying to emulate Twitter will suffer from the same problems. I wrote about it: https://kyefox.com/2020/09/17/mastodon-shows-its-stripes/ Since then, my favorite instance was killed by a bunch of irony-poisoned instances ganging up on it to convince others it was a toxic hell (projection!) and defederate from it. The instance was basically dead within a week as people migrated o…

Wait, I thought that post length was NOT limited on Mastodon ? (That's why I never used Twitter - 140 characters is just too short - I'm not a poet !)

The default is 500 characters. Some compatible implementations of ActivityPub have longer limits. Mastodon hides longer posts from those instances behind a link to open the toot[1] and show the whole thing.

[1] Instances choose how to render things delivered over ActivityPub. So (for example) Mastodon would render a write.as post as a toot, while write.as might render replies to that toot as comments on a blog post.

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Post by dontcarethrow2 »

robswc wrote: post #124
ardy42 wrote: post #57

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> 1. Tech platforms are uncomfortable with certain viewpoints expressed on their platforms and seek to limit these viewpoints. For the most part, those "viewpoints" are verifiable falsehoods, conspiracy theories, and other types of disinformation and misinformation. For instance, the recent migrations to Parler are chiefly people who want to deny the legitimate US presidential election result and spread false claims…

I could agree with a lot of this... the problem for me though is it always comes back to actually enforcing this stuff. I already know I sinned by trying to have a productive conversation of twitter, however when "talking" with a few self proclaimed communists (no, I don't think they were joking) they basically implied the "rich" deserve to die, they were morally allowed to kill them, etc. IIRC, this was on a post ab…

I'm sure it must have been terrifying but overall I'd rather have the real war, Poor v Rich , than the deluded Poor v Poor. It would be over quickly and we won't even lose anything of value.

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Post by learc83 »

secondcoming wrote: post #253
cm2187 wrote: post #145

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Agree, we will likely end up with right leaning town square and left leaning town square. And because every company seems to think they need to pick a side on political topics, it may extend beyond speech platforms. For instance I wouldn't be surprised if at one point conservative leaning viewers would migrate away from the likes of netflix for been fed up of being preached woke catechism in every TV show. And perhap…

I really hope Netflix learns from the awfulness of Star Trek Discovery.

Plenty of people love Star Trek Discovery. It’s successful enough that it’s already been renewed for a 4th season by CBS.

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Post by eternalban »

pydry wrote: post #231
grey-area wrote: post #110

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2020, or more likely 2016 will perhaps be seen as a turning point in the fortunes of the US Republic, when the democracy began to unravel, the law was used as a weapon against enemies, and the rule of law was replaced by mob rule with different factions warring in the streets. The parallels between the US at this moment and pre-war Europe or Rome at the time of the Catiline conspiracy are striking - the centre cannot…

It seems less of a turning point and more of a "squeeze the accelerator even harder" year. It was almost all a continuation of existing trends. I have a dreadful feeling that the turning point for all of this societal dysfunction will be following the aftermath of a world war.

I would not lose sleep over a world war. The social classes (globally) that are flooring the accelerator have no desire to glow in the dark. And we're not in lockdown globally so that the elite can spend time in bunkers deep underground.

We're in lockdown so that elite privileges ("Grand Tour", etc.) can be restored, while the "common man" is put in his or her place, with strict regiments governing thought, speech, action, and movement. It is wise to ignore the cultural and political stun and smoke grenades, and pay attention to what is actually happening in real world. As usual, follow the money.

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Post by spacemanmatt »

LatteLazy wrote: post #223

It’s worth noting that the first thing Parler did was start censoring anyone unsupportive of their form of conservatism. They’re not offering freer speech, they’re offering a safe space. Maybe that’s a seller, maybe it’s not, but it’s an important distinction. This is really just /r/conservative taken to its logical conclusion.

That is exactly what I would expect from a social media platform with Mercers investing in it. (flush)

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Post by gameswithgo »

LatteLazy wrote: post #223

It’s worth noting that the first thing Parler did was start censoring anyone unsupportive of their form of conservatism. They’re not offering freer speech, they’re offering a safe space. Maybe that’s a seller, maybe it’s not, but it’s an important distinction. This is really just /r/conservative taken to its logical conclusion.

I was banned from r/conservative in a discussion about trump handling the coronavirus seriously. I posted a timeline of quotes from him "only 15 cases soon to be none etc" indicating he had not taken it seriously early. Banned after that.

Which is fine, I feel that people should be free to form any clubs/groups they want.

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