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Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by pydry »

grey-area wrote: post #110
ceilingcorner wrote: post #98

Big Tech and Big Media really overplayed their hand this time, IMO. Millions and millions of people are now skeptical and looking for an alternative, even from Fox News. It might not be to Parler, or to the next site after that, but fragmentation will continue to happen. Facebook and media at large only have power if they have viewers, which is a far less stable resource than iron, or oil, or other corporate mainstay…

2020, or more likely 2016 will perhaps be seen as a turning point in the fortunes of the US Republic, when the democracy began to unravel, the law was used as a weapon against enemies, and the rule of law was replaced by mob rule with different factions warring in the streets. The parallels between the US at this moment and pre-war Europe or Rome at the time of the Catiline conspiracy are striking - the centre cannot…

It seems less of a turning point and more of a "squeeze the accelerator even harder" year. It was almost all a continuation of existing trends.

I have a dreadful feeling that the turning point for all of this societal dysfunction will be following the aftermath of a world war.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

forest_dweller wrote: post #43
dannyw wrote: post #19

1. Tech platforms are uncomfortable with certain viewpoints expressed on their platforms and seek to limit these viewpoints. 2. Instead of changing people’s minds (isn’t the evidence overwhelmingly conclusive that people rarely change political viewpoints?), people flock to “community bubbles” like Parler, TheDonald, etc where they feel welcome. 3. This marginalisation leads to increasing extremism; going from the li…

> 1. Tech platforms are uncomfortable with certain viewpoints expressed on their platforms and seek to limit these viewpoints. Back in the late 2000s and early 2010s many of these large companies billed themselves as open platforms where you can express yourself. Twitter's Jack Dorsey said in 2012 that "We are the free speech wing of the free speech part". Now he says it was joke. The terms of service on these platfo…

I don’t think you have captured their take on immigration correctly. If it is only illegal immigration that is bad, that would mean that changing the law to make them legal would solve the problem. But that’s not what they want.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by numpad0 »

wpdev_63 wrote: post #192

I thought the alternative to twitter would be maston[0]. It's 'uncensored' federated twitter clone that anyone can create a node and create a social community of their choosing. Not sure how "Parler" is going to be better than twitter with a central point of failure. More political fodder I guess. [0]: https://mastodon.social/about

Mastodon didn’t work. The architecture couldn’t handle Japanese Twitter migrants overwhelming the network and Gab issues that came later. In current form, it is just an on-prem Twitter clone.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by AntiImperialist »

pjc50 wrote: post #174
AntiImperialist wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't need a long term visa to come in legally. You only need one to stay legally long-term.

Well, yes. That's the difference between a tourist and an immigrant. Working requires visas. Being a legal immigrant is heavily rationed.

I agree with that.

Now, let's get back to what Trump said. Right after he said what you quoted in that speech, he said: "I speak to border guards and they tell us what we're getting. And it only makes common sense. It only makes common sense. They're sending us not the right people."

He's constantly repeating how good the Mexicans and Japanese and everyone else is... (as opposed to the American leaders back then)... but the best ones among the Mexicans are not the ones coming in to the U.S. by crossing the border illegally. If you look at the context, he is clearly saying that Mexico has great people in general, the leaders are smarter and they have some terrible people who they're sending across the border illegally.

His opponents, which were all of the media back then, because he was neither liked by either party, attacked him for it. It was even a part of the attack strategy by Jeb Bush's campaign because he has a Mexican wife. They did it by taking the quote out of context, as anybody would do. If I was a political strategist, I would happily do the same. It was a easy hand to play and would potentially sway voters away from him.

Since the election is over, I'm assuming you're not one of Media Matters bots and I think, like a lot of people, you genuinely believe that those remarks were what the media told you they were... which is why I'm having this conversation.

Have a nice day!

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by victorbstan »

Rick1 wrote: post #218
least wrote: post #33

When "free speech" is the primary selling point of a social media website, it tends to only attract people who feel slighted by the platform they're migrating from. Unfortunately this has the opposite effect of Parler's stated goal of being "the world's town square" since it simply isn't attractive to people with opposing views of those who did move. I think free speech is important and I think that social media plat…

From what I've heard (I don't use Parler) one of their selling points it actually that they're quicker than Twitter as censoring. Twitter allows (and promotes?) hate mobs while Parler supposedly doesn't.

How does that work? Since most of the hate mobs are in Parler now?

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by djsumdog »

ceilingcorner wrote: post #98

Big Tech and Big Media really overplayed their hand this time, IMO. Millions and millions of people are now skeptical and looking for an alternative, even from Fox News. It might not be to Parler, or to the next site after that, but fragmentation will continue to happen. Facebook and media at large only have power if they have viewers, which is a far less stable resource than iron, or oil, or other corporate mainstay…

I think we need some meaningful section 230 reform, but I'm not sure if that's even possible at this point. I wrote this the other day:

https://battlepenguin.com/politics/is-meaningful-section-230...

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Post by odessacubbage »

flyinglizard wrote: post #93
Grustaf wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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As a Jewish person I’d say that none of this political polarization is beneficial for us. It’s not that one side has intrinsically safer qualities for Jews. With the work of ADL and many prominent Jewish figures in the past century, anti-semitism had kind of a special status where it’s taboo even when it’s very nuanced, on both the left and right sides of the aisle. It’s drowning in the cultural discourse now. When 7…

the aclu was pretty much built out of support from the jewish community and jewish lawyers who understood that free expression is the strongest protection any minority has against the state and will of the of the majority. the rights i enjoy today exist in a large part because of their tireless work and they have my eternal gratitude. bad ideas never go away, though the words and the arguments for them may change. we cannot censor away the problem, the only defense is a vigorous and open forum of debate where everything can be challenged.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by kemenaran »

numpad0 wrote: post #233
wpdev_63 wrote: post #192

I thought the alternative to twitter would be maston[0]. It's 'uncensored' federated twitter clone that anyone can create a node and create a social community of their choosing. Not sure how "Parler" is going to be better than twitter with a central point of failure. More political fodder I guess. [0]: https://mastodon.social/about

Mastodon didn’t work. The architecture couldn’t handle Japanese Twitter migrants overwhelming the network and Gab issues that came later. In current form, it is just an on-prem Twitter clone.

As far as I know, Mastodon is quite active, they’re releasing features and improvements monthly, and the number of active users is still growing.
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