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Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by brycewray »

harha wrote: post #347
brycewray wrote: post #343

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Sorry I didn't respond earlier. Mine isn't a T2 Mac. Also, I've actually been doing some distro-hopping in recent days --- switching among Fedora, the Arch-based CachyOS, and the Fedora-based (and very-early-stage) RakuOS --- and the sleep problem has been consistent among all three. I also have tried Debian, and Debian-based distros, in the past and seen the same issue. I have a nagging feeling that it's something r…

On your post: I really don’t get why a widely used/available and pretty standard (as in there aren’t 5000 weird variations - more or less one per device of 4-5 devices per year, mostly the same controllers for most things) group of hardware doesn’t get more love from the Linux community. It’s the perfect case for showing the superiority of the open source model and the devices are amazing for their age. Without any b…

> it also solves the gaming problem on Mac

Yep, I admit that it's my main use of Linux. My daily driver for everything non-games-related is my 2023 (Apple Silicon) Mac Studio, but for Steam stuff I go to the old Intel iMac and whatever distro I'm running on it at the time.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by simonra »

ant6n wrote: post #308
Phemist wrote: post #302

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Yeah, vanilla MacOS is super focused on the set of "all windows of a given Application" as the useful "unit of work". Whereas in real work, you actually handle individual windows of a set of applications (e.g. firefox window for docs, vscode for code, finder window for project files) as the single unit you are working on. MacOS is, in my experience, incredibly clunky due to this mismatch. You can fix some (e.g. use A…

It is indeed very strange and annoying. And I don't remember it being so bad ten years ago (although I had to use witcher for alt-tabbing - which actually worked well, unlike AltTab now). Since Linux, and both OG Mac Os, I am used to having multiple Desktops, in total multiple windows of the same applications (browsers, pdf reader, office, file browser). Mac Os is completely hostile towards doing multiple tasks at th…

I don't know, while I miss the super+right click drag to resize window and super+left click drag to move window from KDE on my work machine, I also kinda miss the smoothness of macOS's handling of many windows and desktops utilizing the trackpad on my gaming desktop. The swipe up and down/ctrl+arrow up and down to juggle windows within the desktop, and then left/right to move between desktops even makes their at first awkward handling of fullscreening apps feel right and efficient. What I really miss in KDE though is multiple virtual desktops per display I can switch independently per display. Actually makes me enjoy using multiple monitors slightly slightly more on macOS. What I sadly can't see happening is a merging of KDE, macOS, and the superior i3, as there would be too few few safe shortcut combinations available for programs to rely on.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by Melatonic »

coldtea wrote: post #331
deanishe wrote: post #289

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Apple isn't Sony. They make an arm and a leg on their hardware. When they switched to x86, it didn't take long for them to release Boot Camp, so they could take Windows users' money, too.

Windows dual boot meant millions of potential switchers, if not for anything else, as a list item to tell them "you could still dual boot". Asahi-on-Mac would bring in irrelevant numbers for a company of Apple's size.

They could also dual boot windows for Arm. Just like before. Assuming Apple did the boot camp thing again

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by zbentley »

KptMarchewa wrote: post #330
mschuster91 wrote: post #313

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> but now people are already creating Omarchy M4 GPU support using AI, and Ashahi devs can look at how it's working and understand it, they just want to take things a bit slower to have less slop The thing is... it's legal issues in the end. With AI you cannot prove the provenance of your code, and you might get dinged in front of the courts. With the way Asahi Linux, WINE and ReactOS operate - no AI, reverse-enginee…

It's already established that no one cares. Laundering through AI is okay.

Case law citation needed.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by IgorCRD »

simonra wrote: post #352
ant6n wrote: post #308

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It is indeed very strange and annoying. And I don't remember it being so bad ten years ago (although I had to use witcher for alt-tabbing - which actually worked well, unlike AltTab now). Since Linux, and both OG Mac Os, I am used to having multiple Desktops, in total multiple windows of the same applications (browsers, pdf reader, office, file browser). Mac Os is completely hostile towards doing multiple tasks at th…

I don't know, while I miss the super+right click drag to resize window and super+left click drag to move window from KDE on my work machine, I also kinda miss the smoothness of macOS's handling of many windows and desktops utilizing the trackpad on my gaming desktop. The swipe up and down/ctrl+arrow up and down to juggle windows within the desktop, and then left/right to move between desktops even makes their at firs…

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Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by utopiah »

worldsavior wrote: post #310
utopiah wrote: post #270

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What makes Apple valuable is precisely its full vertical integration. Nobody else does it at that scale except maybe Sony for consoles and Microsoft but both don't have the same usage coverage and thus integration. It wouldn't be economically rational for Apple to bring down its own moat.

People whom want Linux on Macs obviously already don't want to be put into Apple's ecosystem.

I don't have numbers on that but I bet purchase of brand new MacOS compatible devices is 99% or more from people who already have at least one or more other Apple devices.

Sure they are probably thousands if not millions of (in the positive sense) nerds and geeks posting on HN about buying a Mac first hand, not second hand, solely to put Linux on it but even then would be a drop in the ocean compared to the remained sales.

Still if you have numbers on that I'd love to be wrong about it.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by boredatoms »

charcircuit wrote: post #278
boredatoms wrote: post #29

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This misses the point entirely. What happens when apple inevitably discontinues support for this hardware.

Since the hardware will no longer get security updates for the firmware you should stop using it and move to a newer MacBook. Linux doesn't solve the issue of not getting security updates anymore. For example the FCC does not allow letting users write arbitrary firmware they can run on their devices so this means you legally can't update the Bluetooth or Wifi firmware and need an update from Apple.

Absurdism

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by [deleted] »

Danox wrote: post #231
trueno wrote: post #197

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we need to be supporting asahi if we want these things. their funding has fallen off.

I wish they would get an Arm license and start the process like those three guys that worked at Apple and started Nuvia…

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