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Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by xnickb »

esskay wrote: post #300
xnickb wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not like users will just stop using the services. Rather Linux users will start considering MacBook as a potential laptop to buy. How could that possibly disrupt their Software/Services infra?

Of course they will. Why would you pay for icloud storage you cant use?

That statement is true for the users that both bought and didn't buy a Macbook (with Linux support). The difference is, the one who bought has paid money for the Macbook.

I am not an Apple user. Do you _have_ to pay for iCloud if you buy the laptop? I don't think so.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by Phemist »

trompetenaccoun wrote: post #288
publlus_enigma wrote: post #194

The reason this amazing project exists is the same reason my current Mac will be my last Mac. I wish the team every success.

I got my first ever Mac relatively recently and I'm shocked by how annoying MacOS is. Maybe the mistake was expecting a proper operating system that puts the user in charge and not something more similar to iOS. Also Mac forums are full of dumb users and aren't much help. Average problem solving experience: There is no solution because Apple doesn't allow it, the workaround doesn't really do what you want and the oth…

Yeah, vanilla MacOS is super focused on the set of "all windows of a given Application" as the useful "unit of work". Whereas in real work, you actually handle individual windows of a set of applications (e.g. firefox window for docs, vscode for code, finder window for project files) as the single unit you are working on.

MacOS is, in my experience, incredibly clunky due to this mismatch. You can fix some (e.g. use AltTab for sane alttabbing), but not others (how can i prevent the next application window popping up when minimizing one)

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by worldsavior »

mrheosuper wrote: post #265
worldsavior wrote: post #259

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That data and that address changes, and the logic changes.

Why should the address and logic change, when both are defined by hardware ?

The firmware sometimes wants more data, different places to set the data, so on. The firmware changes, and you gotta adapt the driver to it. Sometimes it's a complete overhaul.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by j16sdiz »

WD-42 wrote: post #242
sneak wrote: post #203

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Why wouldn’t bringing up an OS on new hardware be necessary? Apple has no obligation or incentive whatsoever to write Linux device drivers… Do you think Apple should be funding this work out of revenue? What possible justification could they provide for such a waste of money? This will not sell any more laptops. Even if Asahi didn’t do it, the work would still be necessary by someone inside Apple. Drivers don’t spont…

Nobody is complaining about code not being provided. It’s more the schematics that are sitting in a drawer in Cupertino that would make the painstaking reverse engineering unnecessary. Someone at Apple would have a much easier time.

Well... every reverse engineering project is a schematic sitting in someone's drawer.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by publlus_enigma »

emmelaich wrote: post #243
publlus_enigma wrote: post #194

The reason this amazing project exists is the same reason my current Mac will be my last Mac. I wish the team every success.

Do you mean 'will be my last MacOS?'

No. Whilst Apple's hardware is among the best in the world, I simply can't support their direction with respect to increasingly closed hardware.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by asimovDev »

Oreols wrote: post #296
xiphias2 wrote: post #271

While the Ashahi engineers are working super hard reverse engineering the Apple Silicon, there has been a huge surge in Omarchy circles to get it all working with AI writing all the drivers and get all kinds of hardware in M4/M5 and later M6 working as well. It sped up a lot.

Is anyone actually actively working on it in Omarchy circles? I see a lot of smoke on X and a lot of "look what I vibecoded over the weekend" shows yet another control panel for sony XMs .

I am sure the Omarchy team is throwing their best agents on the case.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by asimovDev »

pjmlp wrote: post #285
jdeaton wrote: post #78

This is really incredible work but so frustrating that its necessary

Only because some buy Apple instead of supporting Linux OEMs.

this opens up the options on the used market though. once people start dumping their early Mx Macs, they will turn into wonderful Linux machines instead of becoming landfill or a collector's item that will sit in a display case / shelf

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by ant6n »

Phemist wrote: post #302
trompetenaccoun wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got my first ever Mac relatively recently and I'm shocked by how annoying MacOS is. Maybe the mistake was expecting a proper operating system that puts the user in charge and not something more similar to iOS. Also Mac forums are full of dumb users and aren't much help. Average problem solving experience: There is no solution because Apple doesn't allow it, the workaround doesn't really do what you want and the oth…

Yeah, vanilla MacOS is super focused on the set of "all windows of a given Application" as the useful "unit of work". Whereas in real work, you actually handle individual windows of a set of applications (e.g. firefox window for docs, vscode for code, finder window for project files) as the single unit you are working on. MacOS is, in my experience, incredibly clunky due to this mismatch. You can fix some (e.g. use A…

It is indeed very strange and annoying. And I don't remember it being so bad ten years ago (although I had to use witcher for alt-tabbing - which actually worked well, unlike AltTab now). Since Linux, and both OG Mac Os, I am used to having multiple Desktops, in total multiple windows of the same applications (browsers, pdf reader, office, file browser). Mac Os is completely hostile towards doing multiple tasks at the same time, and compartmentalizing them into desktops -- you keep getting thrown around to random windows on random desktops (example if you close a window), it's super difficult to find your windows, it's just crazy. You're afraid of ever moving away from a window.

I think this paradim is also what's makes the Mac OS feel snappy. If basically having multiple windows for one software open is "holding it wrong", the OS is pushing you into one application, one window paradigm. As long as you do that, everything is pretty quick. But don't dare open two browser windows, or even worse, two windows of a word processor. The performance will degrade (and you'll keep searching for your windows...)

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

spockz wrote: post #261
teaearlgraycold wrote: post #246

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Depends on your desktop UI. If you install something like Gnome (as I did with Asahi Linux today on an M3 Air) the animated transitions don’t work. You just get a short frozen period and then it cuts straight to the final state. I could try installing a more barebones DE which has no need for animations.

Can you disable animations completely? At least I could in Gnome. It will become more snappy as a result as well.

I did. Still missing the Vulkan support for Zed. But I noticed my WebGL ray marched shaders run quickly - with glitchy artifacts.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by worldsavior »

utopiah wrote: post #270
worldsavior wrote: post #258

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Well, they will get more people buying MacBooks, though they won't really use their services.

What makes Apple valuable is precisely its full vertical integration. Nobody else does it at that scale except maybe Sony for consoles and Microsoft but both don't have the same usage coverage and thus integration. It wouldn't be economically rational for Apple to bring down its own moat.

People whom want Linux on Macs obviously already don't want to be put into Apple's ecosystem.
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