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Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by trompetenaccoun »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #35
smashed wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the purpose here? You are still stuck with a full blown MacOS running the system no? That is what Asahi tries to replace, not the other way around.

I'd recommend reading up on it, and perhaps trying it, because it's very useful. For folks lamenting that the (awesome) Asahi efforts are challenged by reverse engineering of changes from M2 to M3, and so on, those changes vanish into the abstraction, but their benefits do not. That's why i switched from Asahi a couple years ago to UTM in apple silicon hypervisor mode. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/hyperv…

The point is some people who want to run Linux mostly do not want MacOS. You suggest to "just run MacOS" (the thing they want to avoid) and virtualize Linux. That defeats the entire purpose, then you could just as well skip the VM and run Mac apps. Yes, there are a few specialized applications people might need Linux for but that's mostly not why they install an entirely different OS. For the occasional obscure programm that doesn't exist in the Apple ecosystem VMs are a good option, absolutely. Everything you do in the VM still runs on Mac though and you depend on Apple for security, privacy and trust in general.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by mschuster91 »

chem83 wrote: post #279
xiphias2 wrote: post #271

While the Ashahi engineers are working super hard reverse engineering the Apple Silicon, there has been a huge surge in Omarchy circles to get it all working with AI writing all the drivers and get all kinds of hardware in M4/M5 and later M6 working as well. It sped up a lot.

I feel like the growing polarization in that space is pretty much going to kill any chance of collaboration (for example: https://xcancel.com/dhh/status/2091229491867594983?s=12&t=JH... ). It really boils down to DHH and his conservative worldview clashing over things like the downsides of corporate funding and capitalism, building system software by just throwing more AI cycles at it, rejecting data centers over env…

> It really boils down to DHH and his conservative worldview

That is putting a lot of strain on the word "conservative". To quote Wikipedia [1]:

> In 2025, Hansson published a blog post expressing support for far-right British activist Tommy Robinson and the 2025 British anti-immigration protests, as well as mourning that London is "no longer full of native Brits". In response, some members of the Ruby on Rails community called for his removal from project governance.

> Hansson published another blog post[36] in July of 2026 comparing the Romani population of Copenhagen to Denmark's struggles with its wolf population growth, stating that "When wolves get out of control, you shoot them. When gypsies take over public spaces, you deport them."

This isn't "conservative", this is blatant far-right talking here.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Heinemeier_Hansson#Contr...

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by esskay »

deanishe wrote: post #289
utopiah wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes Apple valuable is precisely its full vertical integration. Nobody else does it at that scale except maybe Sony for consoles and Microsoft but both don't have the same usage coverage and thus integration. It wouldn't be economically rational for Apple to bring down its own moat.

Apple isn't Sony. They make an arm and a leg on their hardware. When they switched to x86, it didn't take long for them to release Boot Camp, so they could take Windows users' money, too.

They also make an arm and a leg on services, which is why its not in their interest to make it so you cant use them.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by xnickb »

esskay wrote: post #293
deanishe wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple isn't Sony. They make an arm and a leg on their hardware. When they switched to x86, it didn't take long for them to release Boot Camp, so they could take Windows users' money, too.

They also make an arm and a leg on services, which is why its not in their interest to make it so you cant use them.

It's not like users will just stop using the services. Rather Linux users will start considering MacBook as a potential laptop to buy.

How could that possibly disrupt their Software/Services infra?

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by xiphias2 »

chem83 wrote: post #279
xiphias2 wrote: post #271

While the Ashahi engineers are working super hard reverse engineering the Apple Silicon, there has been a huge surge in Omarchy circles to get it all working with AI writing all the drivers and get all kinds of hardware in M4/M5 and later M6 working as well. It sped up a lot.

I feel like the growing polarization in that space is pretty much going to kill any chance of collaboration (for example: https://xcancel.com/dhh/status/2091229491867594983?s=12&t=JH... ). It really boils down to DHH and his conservative worldview clashing over things like the downsides of corporate funding and capitalism, building system software by just throwing more AI cycles at it, rejecting data centers over env…

What you are talking about is just simply political polarization which is done on purpose by poiticians, which happened whether DHH or Ashahi Linux devs wanted or not. Also there is real human element in both, I'm just going to an Omarchy meetup that's organized next week, and DHH is also organizing some (just not in my city).

I believe eventhough they won't work together directly, with open source they can just use eachothers code (I believe Omarchy is using Ashahi's M1-M3 code, but now people are already creating Omarchy M4 GPU support using AI, and Ashahi devs can look at how it's working and understand it, they just want to take things a bit slower to have less slop).

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by Oreols »

xiphias2 wrote: post #271

While the Ashahi engineers are working super hard reverse engineering the Apple Silicon, there has been a huge surge in Omarchy circles to get it all working with AI writing all the drivers and get all kinds of hardware in M4/M5 and later M6 working as well. It sped up a lot.

Is anyone actually actively working on it in Omarchy circles? I see a lot of smoke on X and a lot of "look what I vibecoded over the weekend" shows yet another control panel for sony XMs.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by stephbook »

trompetenaccoun wrote: post #288
publlus_enigma wrote: post #194

The reason this amazing project exists is the same reason my current Mac will be my last Mac. I wish the team every success.

I got my first ever Mac relatively recently and I'm shocked by how annoying MacOS is. Maybe the mistake was expecting a proper operating system that puts the user in charge and not something more similar to iOS. Also Mac forums are full of dumb users and aren't much help. Average problem solving experience: There is no solution because Apple doesn't allow it, the workaround doesn't really do what you want and the oth…

My favorite is missing support for face unlock, missing "energy options" (stay on when I close lid, something Windows XP had for 25 years now), and draining the battery empty when you shut the MacBook down while plugged in.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by xiphias2 »

Oreols wrote: post #296
xiphias2 wrote: post #271

While the Ashahi engineers are working super hard reverse engineering the Apple Silicon, there has been a huge surge in Omarchy circles to get it all working with AI writing all the drivers and get all kinds of hardware in M4/M5 and later M6 working as well. It sped up a lot.

Is anyone actually actively working on it in Omarchy circles? I see a lot of smoke on X and a lot of "look what I vibecoded over the weekend" shows yet another control panel for sony XMs .

https://x.com/wtsnz/status/2096815939027349574?s=20

Yes, I see people working on M4 and every few days it gets better

,,However, there's plenty more work to get it fully supported and working with Hyperland.''

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by Meneth »

Danox wrote: post #217
nijave wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They could open source their software so others could utilise the code instead of needing reverse engineering

Darwin is open source has been for 25-26 years is it too much hard work? https://github.com/PureDarwin/PureDarwin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system) https://www.puredarwin.org/

PureDarwin doesn't work on any of the M-series machines, and according to the Github commit log, hasn't been updated since 2024.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by esskay »

xnickb wrote: post #294
esskay wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They also make an arm and a leg on services, which is why its not in their interest to make it so you cant use them.

It's not like users will just stop using the services. Rather Linux users will start considering MacBook as a potential laptop to buy. How could that possibly disrupt their Software/Services infra?

Of course they will. Why would you pay for icloud storage you cant use?
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