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Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by thewebguyd »

xmprt wrote: post #314
account42 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That response ignores the fact that Valve isn't in the business of preventing you from playing your games on niche operating systems but Cloudflare is in the business of blocking non-standard browsers. If Cloudflare truly wants to prevent a Google/Apple web duopoly the most effective thing they can do is to stop blocking alternatives or even just browser- configurations that are Google-hostile.

> Valve isn't in the business of preventing you from playing your games on niche operating systems Getting your Steam library to work on Linux before it got Valve's blessing with Proton wasn't a great experience. If they wanted to, they could have easily decided to block games from running on Linux and gave some statement about preventing piracy and protecting users from malware. I'm optimistic that this investment m…

They at least still put out a native Linux client, even if there weren't that many native Linux games.

That at least demonstrated, to some extant, that Valve doesn't care where you run your games, as long as you buy them on Steam.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by maleldil »

pmdr wrote: post #196

ITT: some of you would rather see Omarchy fail and thus Linux desktop adoption slowed down because you don't agree with DHH's 'controversial' political views. Guess we'll have to keep waiting for someone with a 'clean' record to show up and promote Linux.

> someone with a 'clean' record

Just don't be a fascist. We're not asking for much here.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by zarzavat »

troupo wrote: post #96
zarzavat wrote: post #64

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LuaJIT was developed by one person. Ladybird doesn't need hundreds of millions of dollars, it needs interpreter specialists who are willing to lend their time to the project, and an army of volunteers to work on the rest of the rendering engine.

So you want people to work for free on one of the most complex pieces of software in existence? Why wouldn't you want to give those people hundreds of millions of dollars? And if you think that writing a JS interpreter is the only hard part of a browser engine, have I got news for you.

My point was not that people/companies shouldn't donate money to the Ladybird project, but that an equally effective way of contributing is to contribute time, especially the time of developers with specialized skills that would otherwise be worth hundreds of thousands of dollars at market rates.

Why should anyone work for free? Because they love the Web and hate Google's stranglehold over it.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by timeon »

flykespice wrote: post #327
timeon wrote: post #185

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> It’s one of the very, very few independent browsers built from the ground up AFAIK they are using: https://skia.googlesource.com/skia

I mean... that is just a 2d accelerated graphic library, tough it being developed by Google makes uneasy since they are very eager to deprecate support for platform past their lifecycle support

I would not be worried about lifecycle of Skia. 2d rendering is important part of browser. Skia is essential for Chrome (and Ladybird now as well).

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by boomboomsubban »

TiredOfLife wrote: post #290
altfredd wrote: post #285

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Arch (and most FOSS Linux distributions) are highly resistant to ddos attacks. Good luck trying to ddos their mirrors and mailing lists.

Literally August and parts of September https://status.archlinux.org/788139639/calendar

To be fair, the mirrors and mailing lists were fine throughout.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by baq »

doublerabbit wrote: post #282
epistasis wrote: post #174

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> Microsoft would fork it within hours and everyone would switch their upstream to Edgium. Why would people trust Microsoft more than Google, though? Even with really bad actions, switching browsers is very difficult (i.e. it requires making an active choice and change about an obscure topic) and I don't see normal people doing it, which is what would be required for this to happen. Microsoft can't get any traction f…

Edge solely exists to keep the Windows OS bundled with their own browser. My 70 year old mother doesn't want the faff of installing Firefox so Edge fits the bill. It provides for her, her needs. I've installed Firefox and it sits untouched. Microsoft doesn't care if people use it or not. It's easier and cheaper for them to integrate as Chromium does than it is to upkeep Trident. It's not their business too. My take t…

Edge has windows-integrated o parental controls which Firefox lacks entirely and Chrome has its own implementation of. Non-parents probably have no reason to care, but edge has an advantage in Microsoft households.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by xandrius »

quesera wrote: post #340
xandrius wrote: post #195

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Since you seem so well-informed I would love any example of good-will and strictly not-for-profit activities done directly by a large corporation with shareholders which weren't done have other reasons. Examples of things which don't count: - Supporting an open source competitor to avoid getting hammered by antitrust - Giving money to a foundation (which they may or might not own) for greenwashing - Giving money to a…

There is no act in the world that cannot be interpreted cynically. You are arguing from a prejudiced position.

Bringing exactly 0 examples does not help the case though.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by deadbabe »

pzo wrote: post #248
deadbabe wrote: post #142

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And what are the rules? Don’t use AI to steal training content across the internet, spread nuclear grade spam and propaganda at scale, hack servers with automated agents? Seems fine.

the end game will be ai training bots will have to be: 1) like 1 cent or fraction of cent to get access to page 2) scrawlers will just cache this data on their server or just train on it so will pay just once 3) small content creators will get just make like few dollars our of it 4) CF will get some 10-30% cut from their content semaphore. 5) in the end you small content creator trading their whole content for few do…

So… invest in Cloudflare

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by sgloutnikov »

xenelor wrote: post #275

The hype around Omarchy is just insane.. It is not an installer script (anymore), so instead you have to download a 7GB ISO file (in the name of 'good UX') that ships with Zoom, Spotify, Hey, Basecamp, Steam, Minecraft (??), etc. but you still end up using the same package mirrors (arch's). If it was an install script, like LARBS or many others (before and after omarchy), I'd (almost) get it. If it was a derivative d…

The install script is still there, you don't have to use the ISO [0]. I prefer to do my own btrfs subvolumes, partitioning, tweaks, etc and just run the script after a base install. Uninstalling anything is a matter of seconds from the provided menus.

[0] https://learn.omacom.io/2/the-omarchy-manual/96/manual-insta...

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by iooi »

Google started out by sponsoring Firefox, then hired many of their key developers to build Chrome. Cloudflare is likely doing the same thing, they know that strategically they depend too much on Google for the browser. This will get their foot in the door without making a large commitment. If the project goes well, it will be absorbed into Cloudflare in a few years.
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