Not clear if you need a car first, or if they will mail you a seat like the old netflix dvd model.
BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea
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Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea
#352Good news is that all bmw's come with all the options just turned off via software.. So be smart guys, this is called hacker news for a reason... Just buy bare metal bmw and turn all luxury options on... (and BMW is traditionally very dumb on security)...
The question is how warranty and insurance be impacted by it.
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#353Earlier quoted context omitted.
IntelliJ is Apache Licensed, https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community That seems like a pretty spiteful thing to do for a (F|f)ree Software.
First they tell me I can use their IDE forever if I pay for it. Then they go back on their word and prevented me from using the thing I already paid for. They’re being spiteful to their customers
You can still use the versions you paid for…
Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea
#354Earlier quoted context omitted.
Chips I could understand as they're small and volume would be X times the number of cars produced. But a heated seat is not light, its a lot of extra weight to ship and therefore more fuel used for every car. What percentage of car owners will pay for that feature to be enabled. 20, 30 , 50? That's a lot of fuel and energy burnt to get it to that person and over the life of the car the weight of those seats will have…
The seats are the same. The difference is a heating element that weights Here is example with packaged weights: [1] https://bimmercat.com/bmw/en/search/selectCar/F30/Lim/BMW+33...
Cheers for the doc!
That's different from other cars I've seen with heated seats , in that case I can definitely see the case of just including it into every car just incase.
Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea
#355Good news is that all bmw's come with all the options just turned off via software.. So be smart guys, this is called hacker news for a reason... Just buy bare metal bmw and turn all luxury options on... (and BMW is traditionally very dumb on security)...
Except.... This isn't true. I can't just "turn on" adaptive headlights because the vehicle doesn't have the necessary camera to scan the road for oncoming cars installed. I can't just "turn on" adaptive cruise control, because my vehicle doesn't have the necessary front radar installed. I can't just "turn on" the HUD, because my vehicle doesn't have the necessary dash components physically installed. The number of di…
Check out Bimmercode to see what you do have access to.
Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea
#356Earlier quoted context omitted.
> He's saying that BMW has already sold the car at a profit How do you know how BMW structures profit and costs? I would guess their profit is based on some people choosing to enable the future. > If Apple offered you a $1000 iPhone with a camera app installed, and then offered you the same iPhone for $800 but which will not let any camera apps be installed unless you pay them $18/month, does that seem fine to you? Y…
> I would guess their profit is based on some people choosing to enable the future. They would not risk breaking even or losing money if people opted out more than expected. The base model with the feature disabled must be profitable on its own. It's just basic business. > More choices for the consumer. It's a false choice. Creating the illusion of choice is not progress. If I stood in front of your front door with a…
> They would not risk breaking even or losing money if people opted out more than expected.
Loss-leader. Allows them to advertise a low base price, but most people will pay more.
> It's a false choice
Lol it’s not - you can genuinely choose to never pay for it, to pay later, or pay up front. Those are all useful choices I can imagine real people exercising.
Why do you think it’s an illusion? Why is not paying not an option?
> If I stood in front of your front door with a gun in hand
It’s a car seat heater. It’s a luxury. Nothing as dramatic.
Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea
#357Earlier quoted context omitted.
They had stopped this before 2019.
> That convenience wasn't lost on BMW, which for the 2019 model year turned CarPlay from a $300 stand-alone option into a subscription through its ConnectedDrive suite of app services, at $80 per year or $300 for 20 years. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a30139034/bmw-apple-carpla...
So, since the 2019 model year was available in 2018, they stopped it in 2018.
I have a 2019 model bought in 2018 and it has absolutely no ongoing fees to use CarPlay, which I do daily.
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I think people over-estimate that because most EVs are very new. Of course this is n=1 type data, but the service cost on engine related things for my several years old BMW are quite low compared to other items. They replace the oil once the computer wants it, which is every 30,000 to 40,000km, so less than once a year for most users. And that's all engine costs I've had over the years. But I do have maintenance cost…
Fully agree. Maintenance costs for my gen 1 Ioniq are ca 60% compared to my previous ICE Kia. Of course this is a welcome change, but it‘s not like switching to an EV means no costs beside electricity. The power train per se will probably never need paid maintenance, but they do check the coolant and brakes lines every year, clean the AC, resolve system warnings, replace filters etc. And then there’s tires - you can…
Someone into "driving fast" in an ICE will also go through tires quickly, so there's no added tire cost.
Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea
#359Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fully agree. Maintenance costs for my gen 1 Ioniq are ca 60% compared to my previous ICE Kia. Of course this is a welcome change, but it‘s not like switching to an EV means no costs beside electricity. The power train per se will probably never need paid maintenance, but they do check the coolant and brakes lines every year, clean the AC, resolve system warnings, replace filters etc. And then there’s tires - you can…
Someone into "driving fast" in an ICE will also go through tires quickly, so there's no added tire cost.
well on an ev you go through tires more quickly if you drive it in a regenerative style.
on an ice on the other hand you will less likely go through a lot of tires if you go for the smallest consumption.
the driving styles just differ enormously if you want to get the maximum range out of a car.
Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea
#360One of many reasons that when my current car gives out, I'm eyeing a 1970s era pickup. I like to actually own the things I buy, rather than being forced to pay subscription fees for features of a car I own. Or have components of the car that I own "phone home" with information about my vehicle, my driving habits or my location.