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BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Post by sitkack »

NeoTar wrote: post #197
akudha wrote: post #171

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more people then ever More people than ever maybe, but that is a tiny fraction of the number of cars, at least in the U.S. It is like saying more people than ever are turning vegetarian/vegan. Yes, it is true, but it is still a miniscule number in the grand scheme of things, and the the change is way too slow/small to have any real impact, at least in my life time. I love Jetbrains products, it was irritating when th…

I thought the JetBrains subscription was actually a good example of a subscription - when you buy an annual subscription, you get a 'perpetual fallback license' for the version at the time of purchase - i.e. you can continue to use that version forever without further payment. Isn't that basically a traditional (90's style) software purchase?

The JetBrains subscription model is excellent.

But not only that, they went through a couple revisions with the customer to determine what the right model is.

The software that JB produces as has massive value, but it is also fragile in that it needs to be kept up to date as the ecosystem evolves. That value is fragile in the face of constant change unless you pin yourself to a snapshot of the language and all its dependencies. The JB subscription model allows for this while also enabling constant upgrades.

The way that JB handled the outcry about the original subscription model is the real innovation.

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Post by jdsfighter »

NeoTar wrote: post #197
akudha wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

more people then ever More people than ever maybe, but that is a tiny fraction of the number of cars, at least in the U.S. It is like saying more people than ever are turning vegetarian/vegan. Yes, it is true, but it is still a miniscule number in the grand scheme of things, and the the change is way too slow/small to have any real impact, at least in my life time. I love Jetbrains products, it was irritating when th…

I thought the JetBrains subscription was actually a good example of a subscription - when you buy an annual subscription, you get a 'perpetual fallback license' for the version at the time of purchase - i.e. you can continue to use that version forever without further payment. Isn't that basically a traditional (90's style) software purchase?

Not to mention the yearly price breaks for continuing to subscribe to their services. I think I pay less than $15 USD a month for their All Products pack, and it's worth every penny. Much more economical than buying every release of Visual Studio.

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Post by _ea1k »

nameless912 wrote: post #123
ubermonkey wrote: post #115

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What's your basis for this assertion? Everyone I know who drives a foreign car (a set that tilts overwhelmingly to German makers) takes their car to the dealer for routine maintenance because the maintenance is often included in the purchase price . This is true absolutely for BMW, and CAN be true (ie, you can choose to do it) with Volkswagen. If you're not the first owner, then yeah, you may go to a 3rd party, but t…

My basis for this assertion is that I know very few people who are duped into buying maintenance contracts. Those things aren't "included in the purchase price" for anything but the highest end of mass market cars, they're overpriced tack-ons that dealerships push hard when you're purchasing a car. Granted, I know very few new BMW owners (and the few that I do know, know very little about cars and just wanna go fast)…

IDK, a lot of my local dealers push free maintenance for the first 24 months. I've had one of them. They recommended additional services on every free visit, including the first one after only ~5k miles. Every recommendation was at least as expensive as an oil change.

I'm sure that was coincidental and they were all seriously needed services.

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Post by ghaff »

ben-schaaf wrote: post #248
ghaff wrote: post #203

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>Losing everything when you unsubscribe is shitty though. I guess that's the choice made. Yes. There's nothing keeping anyone from buying the music they like even if it's just digital. Music is probably the thing that there's there's the greatest choice between renting and very reasonably buying. I have a big library which I got in order a couple years ago. But I made the decision that there was no need--at this poin…

> There's nothing keeping anyone from buying the music they like even if it's just digital. Unfortunately this isn't true anymore. If you want to buy a song there's beatport and bandcamp but they're missing a ton of music, Amazon Music is only available in a few countries and Google Music doesn't exist anymore. That leaves just iTunes which is a terrible experience and only available on macOS and Windows.

There are also CDs although that probably doesn't apply to niche artists.

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Post by sitkack »

midhhhthrow wrote: post #256
akudha wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

more people then ever More people than ever maybe, but that is a tiny fraction of the number of cars, at least in the U.S. It is like saying more people than ever are turning vegetarian/vegan. Yes, it is true, but it is still a miniscule number in the grand scheme of things, and the the change is way too slow/small to have any real impact, at least in my life time. I love Jetbrains products, it was irritating when th…

I stopped using jet brains because they went to subscription

IntelliJ is Apache Licensed, https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community

That seems like a pretty spiteful thing to do for a (F|f)ree Software.

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Post by tm-guimaraes »

midhhhthrow wrote: post #256
akudha wrote: post #171

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more people then ever More people than ever maybe, but that is a tiny fraction of the number of cars, at least in the U.S. It is like saying more people than ever are turning vegetarian/vegan. Yes, it is true, but it is still a miniscule number in the grand scheme of things, and the the change is way too slow/small to have any real impact, at least in my life time. I love Jetbrains products, it was irritating when th…

I stopped using jet brains because they went to subscription

That makes no sense. Before you payed for a version of the IDE and a year of updates. Now you pay for a year of use and you get the most updated version of your last subscription day for ever.

Basically the difference to buying every year is that you don’t keep old versions. You still get to keep/own the version of your last paying day. And you get discounts…

Unless there are really bad feature changes, there is really no reason to prefer the old model

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Post by dotancohen »

mkl95 wrote: post #113
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #101

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> If you really don’t want to burn fossil fuels, a $1000 bafang mid drive ebike kit can turn a regular bicycle into a hill crushing monster and can be installed with almost no specialized tools. I love electric bikes and want to install the bafang kit myself, but lets keep things in perspective - it's not gonna get my pregnant wife to the hospital.

That's not going to shrink your target demographic too much in the Western world. Birth rates are low and declining.

Birth rates of Europeans are low and declining. Birth rates of immigrants in Europe is very high, and keeps the population from declining.

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Post by tomxor »

llllllllllllk wrote: post #237
bsedlm wrote: post #225

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> Many people manage to pay of their student loans and don't have to live in debt if they don't want to. yikes... this strikes me as quite similar to this line of reasoning: "poor people are poor because they just don't want to work"

This is a weird take to read when you're someone who dropped out of college when the debt load got too scary and had learned enough to gain a marketable skill and enter industry. Paid my debt off in a couple years. This was less than a decade ago, too, I'm not that old. Tuition has been frozen at my university since I left so the kids there now have the same exact choices I had The big difference between me and my pe…

> I'm supposed to believe that it's impossible to avoid... When I avoided it?

Being possible isn't the same as being scalable, for the vast majority of people debt is extremely difficult to get out of, and it's in the interest of the creditors (quite literally) to encourage lending to people who are likely to find it difficult to break free of the compounding interest, because it maximises their return.

Even assuming everyone was individually instantly capable of recognise and managing the risks of their debt, there would be massive reduced opportunity for ways to escape it, and the interest might be higher in order to satisfy the creditors who would otherwise not get as much return... it would be much harder to escape in that situation - From that perspective you should count yourself lucky, had everyone been as "smart" you might still be in debt.

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Post by mywittyname »

midhhhthrow wrote: post #256
akudha wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

more people then ever More people than ever maybe, but that is a tiny fraction of the number of cars, at least in the U.S. It is like saying more people than ever are turning vegetarian/vegan. Yes, it is true, but it is still a miniscule number in the grand scheme of things, and the the change is way too slow/small to have any real impact, at least in my life time. I love Jetbrains products, it was irritating when th…

I stopped using jet brains because they went to subscription

You still get a perpetual license for the version that was out when you purchased the subscription.

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Post by scottLobster »

panick21_ wrote: post #206
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #79

We are rapidly moving towards Feudalism. If someone can charge you for using things you already bought and 'own', then average man has no property rights. The fee could be increased at any time, or new fees could be introduced. As the housing crysis deepens, average person will never own a home either. So average person will be in the same position as a medieval serf, conpletely dependand on the whims of the lord, pr…

> We are rapidly moving towards Feudalism. I hate when people say that. This has literally nothing to do with the historic institution of feudalism. Its is the opposite of actually educating people on actual feudalism. Its just using historical terms that people call not to be 'bad' so you don't actually have to explain the problem. We are literally talking about people who can buy a BMW. Did BMW promise them heated…

If it works for BMW, why wouldn't it work for Ford, Toyota and GM? The financial incentive will cause these user-hostile subscriptions to spread, and probably to more than just heated seats, if/when the model is proven.

The analogy to feudalism might be stretched in the literal sense, but most people use the term as a substitute for "you own nothing and are subject to the whims of the owner".

And there's a lot of truth to that for the average person, compared to conditions even 20 years ago. With regard to heated seats, my 22 year old car has heated seats. They have never required a subscription, and they are mine for as long as they function/are repairable. Now you can argue that, theoretically, car companies could charge less for the car up front and make it up on the subscriptions, so the consumer will see increased customization and savings, and the car company will make the same amount of money instead of more money! If you believe that I have a subscription to a bridge to sell you for $19.99 a month.

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