You won't own anything, and you will be happy (not).
This is truly insane, its WORSE than feudalism. https://www.businessinsider.com/american-worker-less-vacatio...
BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea
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Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea
#222Earlier quoted context omitted.
The heated seats are already in the car, this is about paying more to unlock something you already paid for.
> something you already paid for No - you can either pay for the option one-time up front (the article says), or you can pay a subscription. You don't pay for the option up-front and also pay the subscription. Depending on your circumstances, one of these two ways to pay will be cheaper for you. It may be the subscription. Or you can not pay at all and never pay for the feature and forget about it. If you never pay a…
You have purchase the physical hardware...
The fact that you need to purchase additional software to enable that is absolutely insane and wasteful
Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea
#223We are rapidly moving towards Feudalism. If someone can charge you for using things you already bought and 'own', then average man has no property rights. The fee could be increased at any time, or new fees could be introduced. As the housing crysis deepens, average person will never own a home either. So average person will be in the same position as a medieval serf, conpletely dependand on the whims of the lord, pr…
The goods that are sold are available to be sold based-off what people have chosen to buy or what is seen as a solution to a problem.
Example: Manual transmissions available for sale in the United States vs Europe. Europe has many more available to be sold new than the United States at maybe 3% and dwindling.
I see the only reason that smart-TVs are some prominent now is that the market for those eclipsed the market for dumb-TVs. While there are individuals that would like a dumb-TV, I've seen them post on HN, outliers don't make a sustainable market for revenue.
If individuals don't purchase the subscription, it won't be a revenue stream and then decision-making individuals should make decisions to change it.
The housing market is another conversation altogether.
Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea
#224We are rapidly moving towards Feudalism. If someone can charge you for using things you already bought and 'own', then average man has no property rights. The fee could be increased at any time, or new fees could be introduced. As the housing crysis deepens, average person will never own a home either. So average person will be in the same position as a medieval serf, conpletely dependand on the whims of the lord, pr…
I have to disagree because at the end of the day, the consumer has a choice. BMW, Stellantis and other car makers are charging subscriptions for features. I see an immediate solution: buy another car. I see this argument a ton, people complain that new cars are too expensive, super high monthly payments and subscription features. Yes these are all problems but they are only problems if you choose to buy a new car. Se…
Kind of true but also not as true as it was pre-COVID. Used car prices skyrocketed during COVID to the point that people are selling their 2-3 year old cars for more than current new MSRP. And a 10 year old Corolla is often more than $10k. Prices are just now starting to come back down, but probably not to pre-COVID prices.
Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea
#225We are rapidly moving towards Feudalism. If someone can charge you for using things you already bought and 'own', then average man has no property rights. The fee could be increased at any time, or new fees could be introduced. As the housing crysis deepens, average person will never own a home either. So average person will be in the same position as a medieval serf, conpletely dependand on the whims of the lord, pr…
> We are rapidly moving towards Feudalism. I hate when people say that. This has literally nothing to do with the historic institution of feudalism. Its is the opposite of actually educating people on actual feudalism. Its just using historical terms that people call not to be 'bad' so you don't actually have to explain the problem. We are literally talking about people who can buy a BMW. Did BMW promise them heated…
> Many people manage to pay of their student loans and don't have to live in debt if they don't want to.
yikes... this strikes me as quite similar to this line of reasoning: "poor people are poor because they just don't want to work"
Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea
#226Earlier quoted context omitted.
> something you already paid for No - you can either pay for the option one-time up front (the article says), or you can pay a subscription. You don't pay for the option up-front and also pay the subscription. Depending on your circumstances, one of these two ways to pay will be cheaper for you. It may be the subscription. Or you can not pay at all and never pay for the feature and forget about it. If you never pay a…
> No - you can either pay for the option one-time up front (the article says), or you can pay a subscription. You don't pay for the option up-front and also pay the subscription. That's not what he's saying. He's saying that BMW has already sold the car at a profit with the heating elements built-in , and then are trying to make more profit off of a software patch to enable a feature you technically already own. If A…
> He's saying that BMW has already sold the car at a profit
How do you know how BMW structures profit and costs? I would guess their profit is based on some people choosing to enable the future.
> If Apple offered you a $1000 iPhone with a camera app installed, and then offered you the same iPhone for $800 but which will not let any camera apps be installed unless you pay them $18/month, does that seem fine to you?
Yeah - seems ok to me. I can pick what I want. Pay more up-front, or pay the same after purchasing, or pay a subscription, or don't pay at all. More choices for the consumer.
What's the issue?
Just the mental hurdle of having the option to paying to enable a feature where the hardware was already shipped? What's the underlying actual issue with that? I don't see one?
Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea
#227Do they have to pay extra for the turn signals too?
Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea
#228We are rapidly moving towards Feudalism. If someone can charge you for using things you already bought and 'own', then average man has no property rights. The fee could be increased at any time, or new fees could be introduced. As the housing crysis deepens, average person will never own a home either. So average person will be in the same position as a medieval serf, conpletely dependand on the whims of the lord, pr…
I was ranting about this 2 years ago and a lot of people laughed it off... I cited an auto start feature o VOLVO cars that required a siriusXM membership. It's unfathomable that we reached this point of monthly subscriptions being implemented on things that we've already paid for. It's the first sign that we're in for a wave of not feudalism, but outright economic slavery. There is no rational consumer protection aga…
volvo does not require siriusxm (which is satellite radio) for auto-start. it requires Volvo On Call subscription (you get one for free for first 3 years). And it's kinda reasonable, because Volvo On Call works via LTE and somebody needs to pay for it
Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea
#229We are rapidly moving towards Feudalism. If someone can charge you for using things you already bought and 'own', then average man has no property rights. The fee could be increased at any time, or new fees could be introduced. As the housing crysis deepens, average person will never own a home either. So average person will be in the same position as a medieval serf, conpletely dependand on the whims of the lord, pr…
> We are rapidly moving towards Feudalism. I hate when people say that. This has literally nothing to do with the historic institution of feudalism. Its is the opposite of actually educating people on actual feudalism. Its just using historical terms that people call not to be 'bad' so you don't actually have to explain the problem. We are literally talking about people who can buy a BMW. Did BMW promise them heated…
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Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea
#230Earlier quoted context omitted.
I was ranting about this 2 years ago and a lot of people laughed it off... I cited an auto start feature o VOLVO cars that required a siriusXM membership. It's unfathomable that we reached this point of monthly subscriptions being implemented on things that we've already paid for. It's the first sign that we're in for a wave of not feudalism, but outright economic slavery. There is no rational consumer protection aga…
> I cited an auto start feature o VOLVO cars that required a siriusXM membership. As much as I dislike that kind of fee, it at least makes sense. The remote communication support isn't free.
Implementing it the way it used to be, with a proprietary radio remote, does not require any communications infrastructure support.
99.9% of the time this feature is used to start the car when the driver is within 50 feet. There's no need for it to be relayed through the Internet.