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BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Post by f6v »

nathanaldensr wrote: post #164
winternett wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was ranting about this 2 years ago and a lot of people laughed it off... I cited an auto start feature o VOLVO cars that required a siriusXM membership. It's unfathomable that we reached this point of monthly subscriptions being implemented on things that we've already paid for. It's the first sign that we're in for a wave of not feudalism, but outright economic slavery. There is no rational consumer protection aga…

There is a way, but you're not going to like it, and we can't discuss it on HN.

Does it start with “re” and and with “volution”?

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Post by rightbyte »

willcipriano wrote: post #53
anakaine wrote: post #46

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And as soon as that car hits the second hand market, the next owner can find the appropriate relay, tap in a switch, and solve the rent to use problem.

"Irregular power draw detected, shutting down for your safety."

Ye you maybe need to put the wires directly on the battery poles.

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Post by Bancakes »

nathanaldensr wrote: post #164
winternett wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was ranting about this 2 years ago and a lot of people laughed it off... I cited an auto start feature o VOLVO cars that required a siriusXM membership. It's unfathomable that we reached this point of monthly subscriptions being implemented on things that we've already paid for. It's the first sign that we're in for a wave of not feudalism, but outright economic slavery. There is no rational consumer protection aga…

There is a way, but you're not going to like it, and we can't discuss it on HN.

Something about the government, in minecraft.

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Post by aeyes »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #79

We are rapidly moving towards Feudalism. If someone can charge you for using things you already bought and 'own', then average man has no property rights. The fee could be increased at any time, or new fees could be introduced. As the housing crysis deepens, average person will never own a home either. So average person will be in the same position as a medieval serf, conpletely dependand on the whims of the lord, pr…

Do those that 'own' a home today in the US really own it?

You still have to pay property tax against the "property value" which is a completely arbitrary number set by an outsider. If you don't pay, you lose your home - that is not my definition of ownership.

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Post by naasking »

aabhay wrote: post #111

Am I the only one that actually likes this idea? I live in Austin, where we only need heated seats like three months out of the year at most. On top of that, if I pay $999 for heated seats as an addon, that’s equivalent to 4.5 years of subscription at $18/m. If I could turn off lots of features while I’m on vacation, etc. I think that’s a huge win. But clearly I’m in the extreme minority.

> On top of that, if I pay $999 for heated seats as an addon, that’s equivalent to 4.5 years of subscription at $18/m.

If the heated seat is already built-in and they can still sell the car profitably for $999 less, then charging for this feature you already got and they already profited from is a pure money grab.

If Apple started selling iPhones that had the usual cameras built in, but you couldn't install any camera apps unless you paid them $18 per month, would you really be so enthusiastic?

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Post by rightbyte »

bluGill wrote: post #102
rockinghigh wrote: post #75

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Neither this article nor my personal experience with Tesla support your claim. > Tesla owners reported more problems with their exterior and interior than with other systems like propulsion, battery or infotainment and navigation. Tesla issues aren't about maintenance, they are mostly about quality control. Maintenance on Tesla is simple: air filters, brakes, tires, air conditioning. https://www.tesla.com/support/car…

ON a modern car you only add oil changes until you get to 100k miles. Oil changes are fast and cheap. Except for air conditioning - unless you mean the air filter the air conditioner should NEVER need maintenance - if you do maintenance it means an environmental disaster - they are closed systems and so the only time you service them is if they lost the Freon.

Hopefully there is no Freon to lose in the first place in the AC.

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Post by coffeeblack »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #79

We are rapidly moving towards Feudalism. If someone can charge you for using things you already bought and 'own', then average man has no property rights. The fee could be increased at any time, or new fees could be introduced. As the housing crysis deepens, average person will never own a home either. So average person will be in the same position as a medieval serf, conpletely dependand on the whims of the lord, pr…

I read somewhere that, in the future, “you will own nothing and you will be happy”.

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Post by Bancakes »

auxfil wrote: post #135
PaywallBuster wrote: post #108

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you keep a car for something that will happen once per ~ 4 years?

I take it you think people that get life insurance are suckers?

Statistically, yes. Assuming n of m people get insurance money, m-n people are suckers. Sorry.

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Post by naasking »

chrisseaton wrote: post #143
lpapez wrote: post #139

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The heated seats are already in the car, this is about paying more to unlock something you already paid for.

> something you already paid for No - you can either pay for the option one-time up front (the article says), or you can pay a subscription. You don't pay for the option up-front and also pay the subscription. Depending on your circumstances, one of these two ways to pay will be cheaper for you. It may be the subscription. Or you can not pay at all and never pay for the feature and forget about it. If you never pay a…

> No - you can either pay for the option one-time up front (the article says), or you can pay a subscription. You don't pay for the option up-front and also pay the subscription.

That's not what he's saying. He's saying that BMW has already sold the car at a profit with the heating elements built-in, and then are trying to make more profit off of a software patch to enable a feature you technically already own.

If Apple offered you a $1000 iPhone with a camera app installed, and then offered you the same iPhone for $800 but which will not let any camera apps be installed unless you pay them $18/month, does that seem fine to you? They're already making a profit selling at $800, the hardware is identical, it's just a cost-free software change that you are not permitted to make to your own device.

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Post by PaywallBuster »

auxfil wrote: post #135
PaywallBuster wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you keep a car for something that will happen once per ~ 4 years?

I take it you think people that get life insurance are suckers?

life insurance is priced for once in a lifetime events
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