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Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by pkulak »

bstar77 wrote: post #308
cycomanic wrote: post #175

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I don't want to comment much on the rest, but the whole trope of: a Linux machine is not for someone who isn't comfortable with the cli" needs to die. My partner is essentially computer illiterate (she didn't know about keyboard shortcuts, even for copy paste before we met and still doesn't really use them) and has been using my old Ubuntu laptop for years. The only thing I do is tell her from time to time not just t…

The command line is a problem for intermediate users. I consider Linus from LTT to be at the upper end of intermediate and he was borderline incompetent in Linux. When you have enough knowledge to be dangerous and the hubris to assume you know everything you should need to know, you will find yourself in deep trouble quickly. The most computer illiterate will be fine, but they will not be buying a machine like this.…

Windows is the same way. But even worse, since instead of a broken machine, you’ll enroll in some bot-net. Someone who knows enough to be dangerous in Windows starts downloaded and running random executables from the internet when things go wrong.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by sneak »

cal85 wrote: post #316
dan-robertson wrote: post #286

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If all the apple hardware including their gpu (maybe except particularly proprietary things like Touch ID / Secure Enclave) were supported well on Linux and power management we’re sufficiently figured out to not bea total disaster, would that be ok or is it unacceptable that the thing came with nonfree software or to risk apple’s future hardware being unsupportable?

That would be more than OK. I have no hard rules about free vs non-free, I’m pragmatic. But I don’t see that happening. Apple don’t want to put time into helping support other OSes on their hardware, it’s not something they want to do and that’s their call. At least they design good computers. What frustrates me is that no one else in the industry gives the slightest f** about pixel density, even when Apple has demon…

> What frustrates me is that no one else in the industry gives the slightest fuck about pixel density, even when Apple has demonstrated for years that people really value sharpness.

It's not that they don't, it's that they can't. There's no way to make a high ppi laptop that's small and light and doesn't kill the battery in 3 hours of use.

GPUs that drive that many pixels are power hungry. Apple designs their own integrated GPUs now.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by jmondi »

niclo wrote: post #285
movover wrote: post #269

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> PopOS is great! It is definitely one of the best Linux desktops I’ve used. Manjaro gives it a nice run for it’s money… But.. next year is going to be the year of the Linux desktop! No disrespect to @jeremy_soller, because he is doing a killer job on Pop, but even in 2022, the Linux desktop is RC Cola, and MacOS is Genuine Coke Cola. I’m sure there are die hard RC Cola fans, but most of the world will definitely sti…

Pretty much agree, was going to make a similar but shorter comment. To me it feels like the opposite, Windows is the true Coke Cola just because some things work better and the vast majority of people use it like you suggest, Linux is some fresh Pepsi (to say, I know the other is more popular but I don't care and prefer its unique taste) and macOS is some ok discount cola, which is alright but nothing people should g…

There is absolutely no way that MacOS is the bottom. Sure, 100% Windows is Coke Cola. But a Linux desktop vs a Mac… ask 100 people in the world (not Hacker News) to choose between a Mac and a System76 machine, 97 of them are choosing the Mac.

Doesn’t really change anything re: the review though. I had the Lemur Pro for 2 years and used it as my main coding machine. I used it 8+ hours a day for years. It was a solid machine. I bought it because I refused to buy a Touch Bar MacBook. Once the 14” M1 came out… it was over. The M1 is faster, more reliable, has a longer battery life, a higher resolution and brighter screen, and imo has better software. Sure, free software is great, and I contribute to, and use a boatload of OSS, but a lot of times, you get what you pay for, or not.

Ultimately the experience compared to a 14” MBP is, there is no comparison imo, the MacBook hardware blows it out of the water in all aspects.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by jmondi »

movover wrote: post #269
jmondi wrote: post #150

I had this laptop, but ultimately replaced it with a 14” M1 Max. Some thoughts: - The screen is so much worse, in every way, than a MacBook. A “low resolution” (more like, not high dpi) matte screen vs the M1 screen, there is no comparison. When I first got this machine, my eyes would have to adjust to the screen, and it felt so blurry compared to my works retina Touch Bar Mac - PopOS is great! It is definitely one o…

> PopOS is great! It is definitely one of the best Linux desktops I’ve used. Manjaro gives it a nice run for it’s money… But.. next year is going to be the year of the Linux desktop! No disrespect to @jeremy_soller, because he is doing a killer job on Pop, but even in 2022, the Linux desktop is RC Cola, and MacOS is Genuine Coke Cola. I’m sure there are die hard RC Cola fans, but most of the world will definitely sti…

I had a Linux desktop running Manjaro circa 2014-2017. From late 2019 - early 2022 I used my Lemur Pro with PopOS full time as my main machine, 8+ hours a day.

I would entirely disagree with the statement that my understanding of linux desktop is out of date. That is, unless you consider using Linux Desktop in early 2022 out of date.

You say that linux is a totally open operating system. Yeah… if you know the command line. That is kinda my point. It isn’t great for people unless they are computer power users. I’ve been a Linux user for almost 2 decades, I’ve tried everything under the sun. I run Linux servers all day every day for work. I know how it is.

Sure… you can get your grandpa to use PopOS by saying “only press this website and email icon and you’ll be fine”, and I agree with that. Give my Lemur Pro to my wife, who can use either Windows or Mac, she would be like “how do I , and when the answer starts with “open terminal”, she would look at me like I am an insane person.

Mac and Linux are as secure (or not) as you make them. Literally neither one is that much more or less secure than the other one.

If you wanna field calls from your family teaching them how to run a Linux desktop, more power to you. As for me, I’ll be getting my family members a PC or Mac (their choice) and calling it a day.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by jmondi »

philliphaydon wrote: post #199
everdrive wrote: post #172

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>THE TOUCH PAD IS SO SMALL. Why do non-Mac Laptop users put up with such small touchpads? It is maddening. Some of these points are subjective. I used to be an Apple touchpad evangelist, but at some point they switched to having enormous touchpads without any buttons. (the touchpad is the button) I had a touchbar Macbook Pro, and I'd get accidental input from the touchpad with good regularity. I wanted the touchpad f…

I have the new DELL XPS 15. WOW I Hate the large trackpad. It’s soooo annoying. I can no longer move my thumb down and back again without random screens flying around due to gestures cos my palm touches the corner. Giant trackpads are terrible. I miss my Lenovo nipple.

Honestly, this is just proving my point when I say that non-mac touchpads are terrible. On my Lemur Pro, it the palm rejection was awful, it was so damn annoying how often the cursor would just fly to a different spot while I was typing. Literally has never happened on any of my Macs.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by jmondi »

kingboss wrote: post #257
pachico wrote: post #157

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A someone that codes and reads code most of the day, matte screen is actually a must for me. To be fair, I don't even consider apple laptops mainly for this reason.

Unless you are coding in the sun it's not a problem.

And if you are, it is actually easier to see a MacBook Pro screen than the Lemur Pro, because of how dim the backlight was on the Lemur Pro.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by philliphaydon »

jmondi wrote: post #355
philliphaydon wrote: post #199

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I have the new DELL XPS 15. WOW I Hate the large trackpad. It’s soooo annoying. I can no longer move my thumb down and back again without random screens flying around due to gestures cos my palm touches the corner. Giant trackpads are terrible. I miss my Lenovo nipple.

Honestly, this is just proving my point when I say that non-mac touchpads are terrible. On my Lemur Pro, it the palm rejection was awful, it was so damn annoying how often the cursor would just fly to a different spot while I was typing. Literally has never happened on any of my Macs.

While the palm rejection has failed with me on a MBP. I'm just saying I agree that Palm rejection sucks on non-mac devices and so I have a preference for smaller track pads.

The one on my Lenovo Legion 7 is large, but smaller than the Dell, and the palm rejection is lightyears ahead of the Dell, but still fails. However it doesn't fail enough for me to care because it's so ever slightly smaller than I dont have the bottom of my hand on the corner of the trackpad while typing like I do on the Dell.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by encryptluks2 »

trelane wrote: post #171
tux2bsd wrote: post #48

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It's an added context switch. It takes a small amount of time and the end user has the convenience of not needing to do it, the end user chooses to pay for that. disclaimer: I've never touched a s76 machine. I would never run an OS that was pre-installed as the install image can't be verified.

Honestly, I've only ever run the pre-installed OS on one machine from them (my gaming Thelio). I buy them for the support both after- and before-purchase. I.e. because they do great support and provide machines that actually support Linux. I used to not have the option of buying Linux hardware, and it was terrible. I don't understand why anybody does that to themselves these days, and I sincerely hope we never go bac…

Windows hardware like the Surface?

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by throwawaymaths »

jmondi wrote: post #259
throwawaymaths wrote: post #241

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I went from a lemur 14" to a Mac m1 and the following things broke: - dual monitors were detected only as one monitor, and we're mirrored. - USB mouse (I disprefer Bluetooth mice) would have to be unplugged and plugged back in if the laptop went to sleep - no home/end keys - I had installed all of my corporate 2FA stuff on safari and safari would randomly drop me from Google meets. No other browser had this issue. Th…

The monitor issue only happens the first time you plug in the monitor (like with every laptop or computer I’ve ever owned, even the Lemur Pro). After you setup your monitors, it remembers the setup every time you connect after. Yeah agreed with a corded USB mouse, I just have mine plugged into my monitor, one usb c cable to my laptop for video, power, and data. Lemur Pro did this just as good as my Mac, no complaints…

> The monitor issue only happens the first time you plug in the monitor

Incorrect. I had several Mac users look at it and none could figure out what was wrong. I suspect apple drivers don't support usb-c to dual display port.

Lemur has no problem with usb-c to dual displayport. Job eventually replaced Mac with a librem (which I don't love), it also had no problems.

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