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Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by trelane »

tux2bsd wrote: post #48
encryptluks2 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is good to see it but a bit ridiculous to see companies marking up the pricing just to install an OS which is pretty simple to do with almost any hardware.

It's an added context switch. It takes a small amount of time and the end user has the convenience of not needing to do it, the end user chooses to pay for that. disclaimer: I've never touched a s76 machine. I would never run an OS that was pre-installed as the install image can't be verified.

Honestly, I've only ever run the pre-installed OS on one machine from them (my gaming Thelio). I buy them for the support both after- and before-purchase. I.e. because they do great support and provide machines that actually support Linux.

I used to not have the option of buying Linux hardware, and it was terrible. I don't understand why anybody does that to themselves these days, and I sincerely hope we never go back to having to buy Windows hardware, slapping Linux on top of it, and hoping that enough devs had the _exact_ same hardware to minimize the glitches.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by everdrive »

jmondi wrote: post #150

I had this laptop, but ultimately replaced it with a 14” M1 Max. Some thoughts: - The screen is so much worse, in every way, than a MacBook. A “low resolution” (more like, not high dpi) matte screen vs the M1 screen, there is no comparison. When I first got this machine, my eyes would have to adjust to the screen, and it felt so blurry compared to my works retina Touch Bar Mac - PopOS is great! It is definitely one o…

>THE TOUCH PAD IS SO SMALL. Why do non-Mac Laptop users put up with such small touchpads? It is maddening.

Some of these points are subjective. I used to be an Apple touchpad evangelist, but at some point they switched to having enormous touchpads without any buttons. (the touchpad is the button) I had a touchbar Macbook Pro, and I'd get accidental input from the touchpad with good regularity. I wanted the touchpad from a 2007 Macbook Pro.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by mackal »

jmondi wrote: post #150

I had this laptop, but ultimately replaced it with a 14” M1 Max. Some thoughts: - The screen is so much worse, in every way, than a MacBook. A “low resolution” (more like, not high dpi) matte screen vs the M1 screen, there is no comparison. When I first got this machine, my eyes would have to adjust to the screen, and it felt so blurry compared to my works retina Touch Bar Mac - PopOS is great! It is definitely one o…

It should be noted that jmondi review is talking about the previous model. The one the article is talking about hasn't been out long enough for his post to be about lemp11. That doesn't mean it's changed enough that it's not still valid, but it was a different model of the Lemur Pro (likely lemp10)

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by unrealhoang »

rawoke083600 wrote: post #50
sph wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HDD -> SSD is an enormous difference. SSD -> NVMe, better but not so dramatic. 1080p -> 4K is an enormous difference. 4K -> 8K, better but not so dramatic. The rate of improvement is not linear.

No one said it was. But for some people for some problems what they have is definitely good enough. Example: hdd to ssd (huge quantitative improvement if you measure speeds). As you rightly said. To my eyes(bad eyes) 1080p is enough, 4k might look slightly better but no way near in the same ballpark as hdd to ssd. Maybe its the fonts, workflow or fontsize i use but 4k fonts does not not x5 or x10 better than 1080p fo…

Using 4k at 2x scale, you have exactly the same desktop space as 1080p but with 4x more pixels to render your fonts.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by cycomanic »

jmondi wrote: post #150

I had this laptop, but ultimately replaced it with a 14” M1 Max. Some thoughts: - The screen is so much worse, in every way, than a MacBook. A “low resolution” (more like, not high dpi) matte screen vs the M1 screen, there is no comparison. When I first got this machine, my eyes would have to adjust to the screen, and it felt so blurry compared to my works retina Touch Bar Mac - PopOS is great! It is definitely one o…

I don't want to comment much on the rest, but the whole trope of: a Linux machine is not for someone who isn't comfortable with the cli" needs to die. My partner is essentially computer illiterate (she didn't know about keyboard shortcuts, even for copy paste before we met and still doesn't really use them) and has been using my old Ubuntu laptop for years. The only thing I do is tell her from time to time not just to click away the update (she is a good example why having optional updates is not a good thing). Her issues are pretty much the same she would have for a Windows or Mac machine, usually related to how something in a word processor works. Also my mother (78yo) is using Linux as a only system, and she does a lot of photography and video work. She has actually even become quite competent with the cli by now, just because she likes to try stuff.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by mejutoco »

sph wrote: post #65
rawoke083600 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one said it was. But for some people for some problems what they have is definitely good enough. Example: hdd to ssd (huge quantitative improvement if you measure speeds). As you rightly said. To my eyes(bad eyes) 1080p is enough, 4k might look slightly better but no way near in the same ballpark as hdd to ssd. Maybe its the fonts, workflow or fontsize i use but 4k fonts does not not x5 or x10 better than 1080p fo…

I have bad eyes but apparently not as bad as yours. Let's go ask a blind man if they prefer 1080p or 4K, that'll settle it. If you don't see the difference, it doesn't mean there's none.

Not OP but if you don‘t see the difference why pay for it? It will also be more taxing for the graphic card or cpu to update 4k, I believe.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by baybal2 »

jmondi wrote: post #150

I had this laptop, but ultimately replaced it with a 14” M1 Max. Some thoughts: - The screen is so much worse, in every way, than a MacBook. A “low resolution” (more like, not high dpi) matte screen vs the M1 screen, there is no comparison. When I first got this machine, my eyes would have to adjust to the screen, and it felt so blurry compared to my works retina Touch Bar Mac - PopOS is great! It is definitely one o…

Impressive it is for an "OS brand, yet it's just another relabelled Tongfang laptop, so people really need to blame not OEM, but people who keep buying from them instead of designing own hardware.

Designing a laptop from scratch may be an adventure with a budget close to $200k-$300k, but there are tons, and tons of US brands who can pull this financially. Yet, even the "innovative" Framework laptop is mostly OEM work. It seems no Western brand took risk designing own hardware since nineties.

I've been a privy to Dell's plans for launching a low-end sub-brand for Asia few years ago, before the COVID.

Every contact manufacturer they been considering was exuberant about an opportunity to launch something original under Dell's brand, but Dell's MBAs were horrified of the prospect giving franchisees permission to run own designs: "what if they will make something too good, and compete with our main brand?", "what if they will screw up the design, and degrade our brand?", "how we will square this off with our part suppliers if we will divert them to another party?"

I myself would've eagerly taken an opportunity to spin up my own laptop brand, with original design. It's far, far easier than most these fellows imagine, and certainly shouldn't cost many millions.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by trelane »

erdewit wrote: post #101
nicexe wrote: post #88

What is it with the weird RAM configurations? It looks like they have 8GB embedded (soldered) to the motherboard. The choices for RAM configuration come down to 8GB, 2x8GB, 8GB + 16GB and 8GB + 32GB. That makes the second option the only dual channel configuration. Going past 2x8GB is not a real upgrade but more like a side-grade.

The first 16 GB will still be dual-channel, only the remainder will be single-channel (flex mode).

Yeah, this looks to be the case. They have "dual channel" up until you choose more than 16GB.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by xbar »

whalesalad wrote: post #54
dugmartin wrote: post #46

I'm wondering with the (permanent?) switch to work from home if laptop sales will go down. I've replaced both my personal and work laptops with System76 Meerkat mini PCs both running stock Unbuntu using Regolith for the desktop environment ( https://system76.com/desktops/meerkat ). They are stacked on top of each other on my desk and take up next to no space. I work from home (and have since 1999) and don't travel fo…

Sorta. I like having flexibility and staying dynamic. I will often jump back and forth between my desk (M1 Mac mini) and my laptop (MacBook pro) to wander around my house on the couch or sometimes outside if the weather is nice. Having your compute/dev take place on a separate box and using these machines as thin clients helps too. My personal machines are mostly just editors now, not running any hefty code processes…

Do you manage your own remote compute/dev or is it employer-provided?
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