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One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Yeah, some people are so used to "my rights" that they forget there are places where you don't have any.

Nitpick, but everyone has rights. The difference is there are many places that don't protect them or otherwise infringe upon your ability to exercise them.

American or philosopher?

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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The title downplays this a lot. The first sentence in the article reads "Any extramarital sexual encounter (...) could result in a seven-year jail sentence." That usually means any sexual relation outside of marriage is forbidden, even between life partners.

As there's no such thing as "life partners" in sharia law.

It seemed clear they were saying common law marriages (assumed after a period of time) aren't respected there.

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> a system forcing all migrants to be sponsored and subsequently tied to an employer So, like an H1B?

H1B sponsors don’t hold your passport.

I’ve always wondered, what does “holding a passport” entail? Can’t you just go to your embassy and make a new passport as if you’ve lost the old one? How can some other guy holding your documents make you a slave unable to leave if you want?

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Those numbers make no sense at all, as previously discussed https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30930117 In fact, if we take them at a face value, they suggest incredibly low death rates among immigrant workers in Qatar.

I read the discussion you linked and then calculated a bit and compared with my country. Turns out as you say, that this number isn't very high if it's all-cause mortality. I don't think it's disputed though that migrant workers are treated inhumanely there. Not that Qatar would be the only community to treat migrant workers as second class people. It seems to be a case of a newspaper resorting to touting some number…

sad but very very normal, unfortunately.

Talking about companies eschewing ethics to get at the money: newspapers are companies.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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What I love is that institutions like universities will happily link arms with Qatar for the $$$, despite the neo-slavery: https://www.qatar.northwestern.edu . Really puts their woke messaging at home in context.

“Institutions” in general don’t have woke messaging, specific institutions do. “Universities” in general don’t have partnerships with the Qatar government, specific universities do. Just because one university is very “woke”, and another university forms a partnership with Qatar does not mean that universities in general are hypocritical, or even that any specific university is hypocritical. If you are going to make…

I’m thinking of a specific school that has a prominent, and very liberal, journalism school that has deep ties with Qatar: https://freebeacon.com/national-security/inside-qatars-multi...

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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What I love is that institutions like universities will happily link arms with Qatar for the $$$, despite the neo-slavery: https://www.qatar.northwestern.edu . Really puts their woke messaging at home in context.

Lol it’s also every single company ever. Look at the US/Western twitter accounts of major corporations and they’re all rainbows. Then look at their Middle East or other regions twitter accounts.. the only color they care about is green. Everything else is marketing backed by legal. I was selected for a project in a Gulf country and we had a preliminary session where I got an eye opener. Basically, no women or gays, n…

We had a project in a relatively modernized Islamic country, and all the women were basically ripped off the project right before go-live.

Men were sent to the country in their stead, and had to pretend they were the ones responsible for building the thing.

The women were told it was for their safety, but the rumor was that a week before we were set to travel, the customer had apparently said, "by the way, we don't do business with women."

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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From the article: --------------------------- Nasser Al-Khater, chairman of Qatar's 2022 World Cup organising committee, has said that all World Cup attendees will be safe regardless of their sexual orientation or culture. In December 2021 Al-Khater did confirm that "homosexuality is not allowed" in the emirate, but promises that LGTBIQ+ fans will have the right to travel to the country and attend matches. "Qatar and…

if a man travelled to USA with a 10 year old wife he could end up in prison for decades, while in many cultures such an arrangement is normal and accepted. if we wanted to achieve "absolute tolerance" we would simply have to remove all laws because they are all intolerant in some way against someone. tolerance does not mean that we have to accept the behavior of people who act in ways which are offensive to us. toler…

Tolerant means being able to tolerate (and respect) people with different ideas and opinions about how the world works.

Someone is bound to wheel out the old "no tolerance for intolerance" line, which is fine, but doesn't mean you can go to someone else's country and tell them that they're wrong and should be doing things the way you do them.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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It depends on if you’re ok being sold off to your rapist. Can’t see how that could go wrong.

This is one of the things that only makes sense if you go to a mindset where women are chattel. A raped woman is "damaged goods", the man has damaged the property of her father. He now can't get a dowry because other men will not marry her. This also means the women may end up cast out, homeless, starving, destitute so not good for her either. The fucked up part is women being chattel though, which was just that time…

I think the intent is not only making the father right by giving him 50 shekels, but also making sure the women isn't disadvantaged. Since she is "damaged goods" as you put it she would have problems finding a husband, making her life rather difficult. But conveniently there's somebody right there who we can make responsible of taking care of her for the rest of his life.

From today's point of view the solution sucks, but people back then had a very different view of marriage (and life as a single men or women). Marriage could be about love, but it was often just a transaction that establishes how people cohabitate and share roles in a household.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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post #323

From the article: --------------------------- Nasser Al-Khater, chairman of Qatar's 2022 World Cup organising committee, has said that all World Cup attendees will be safe regardless of their sexual orientation or culture. In December 2021 Al-Khater did confirm that "homosexuality is not allowed" in the emirate, but promises that LGTBIQ+ fans will have the right to travel to the country and attend matches. "Qatar and…

if a man travelled to USA with a 10 year old wife he could end up in prison for decades, while in many cultures such an arrangement is normal and accepted. if we wanted to achieve "absolute tolerance" we would simply have to remove all laws because they are all intolerant in some way against someone. tolerance does not mean that we have to accept the behavior of people who act in ways which are offensive to us. toler…

> if a man travelled to USA with a 10 year old wife he could end up in prison for decades, while in many cultures such an arrangement is normal and accepted.

This isn't about whether or not to wear shoes indoors or not. It's not about regional cultural quirks, but about fundamental human rights. What actually constitutes fundamental human rights depends on the framework, but the correct one (and importantly the one FIFA follows obviously) is the "liberal/progressive/secular" one. Which is why an organization that supposedly values those rights shouldn't let a country that doesn't value them host a world cup.

> tolerance is the mutual respect of eachother's boundaries, namely that the people who visit Qatar respect the culture and laws of the country, and the people of Qatar in return respect the rights and freedom of those visitors

That loses the context of the World Cup. Basically saying "we want to host the world cup" is synonymous to saying "we don't mind gay people holding hands". If not, then FIFA isn't actually championing the values they say they are (which is probably the case)

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Well the point is to see if an unexpected pregnancy arose from the marriage. It really wouldn't make sense for the man to wait too, practically speaking.

What happens if the woman is pregnant, but the man’s already remarried? Its not like the waiting period will change anything… the woman would still be screwed in such a culture.

If the woman is pregnant by him but the man remarried, he must pay her continuing child maintenance and pay for accommodations for the child as well, according to islamic law.
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