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Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Post by dangerface »

DHowett wrote: post #30

Another day, another Casey post dunking on my team. Hi! This tweet misses the mark only a little bit; in a previous blog post, we apologized[1] pretty frankly to everyone involved in this discussion. I'll admit that we didn't list him by name, but neither did we list the other handful of folks involved. We should have. In turn, Casey rightly did not acknowledge it except to tell his followers that it was not a real a…

> Is it not acceptable that we use the same language?

Good question why insult him for his use if you feel its appropriate language?

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #233
Longhanks wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the Windows Terminal team reeks of this. There's so many blog posts saying look, we're so smart because they're reimplementing something both Linux and macOS had for *years*, as if the whole world of CLI was waiting for their savior.

> There's so many blog posts saying look, we're so smart Have you read Casey's twitter feed? The man routinely goes into long twitter thread rants about how stupid everyone else is. His favorite target seems to be...drumroll please...large corporation software teams.

Thing about Casey's rants is that he's completely right though. This is obvious to pretty much anyone who isn't being disingenuous about it. And his writing takes on an admittedly aggressive tone because, frankly, we've been dealing with shitty software that keeps getting shittier written by self-aggrandizing people for a decade or so now. He tried being diplomatic in his issue report and he was shit on for it. That happens all the time.

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Post by brothir »

ripley12 wrote: post #302
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "(Note: I've iteratively edited this post, as it was originally a one-sentence diatribe written in anger. I originally asked, "I just don't know what else he's asking for here. Credit? Us to die screaming?" It was not a good look.)" So you stole his idea and realized a one-liner dismissal was not a "good look" for yourself , so you wrote an "apology"? It's not about him, it's about saving yourself from the blowback…

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This is dishonest. The issue did go the way he wanted to, it's how the team responded to it that is the issue. And how is Casey the narcissist when the OP started a pure vent post and had to backtrack it, and who should you blame for being exhausted given that?

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Post by ddalex »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #111
curiousgal wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chastising devs who address issues directly is a great way to make sure canned PR responses is all we get.

Exactly. And it'll be these same exact people who will complain about canned PR responses :->

And we should not accept rudeness and unprofessionalism just to avoid canned PR responses

People should learn to express themselves professionally and keep up the standards, on the professional communities, this is not /b/

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Post by lhecker »

thaway2839 wrote: post #280
lhecker wrote: post #139

Hi! I'm the person who wrote that blog post. If you have any questions whatsoever, please let me know! English is not my native language and "The solution is trivial" was meant sarcastic. The solution isn't trivial at all, nor is it complete, because solving the corner cases is complex. I'd also like to mention ahead of time that DirectWrite/Direct2D is very fast at drawing western (Latin) text without coloring (>200…

Removing a credit or a reference is probably the worst way to add succintness to an article. It's literally saying "the contributions of people whose work I based my work on is less important than the least useful sentence in describing my work".

I'm not sure editing the article would be the proper thing to do at this point. Someone else suggested to edit in 1-2 weeks for possible future readers.

I can add back the sentence where I accredit Alacritty for the general, underlying algorithm/idea then, because that's where I heard about it first. There isn't really any other alternative, performant way to implement GPU-accelerated terminals, so I don't think hearing about it again from Casey changed my perception of what the only alternative to Direct2D is, in case it's fundamentally flawed for our purpose which it turned out to be.

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Post by meheleventyone »

LigmaYC wrote: post #294
meheleventyone wrote: post #187

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This really is every org, even if someone starts lukewarm to an idea it can percolate, get established and then come back out again as a fresh opinion without any malice intended. It’s always fun to get your own ideas back almost verbatim.

Even in this case they seemingly "forgot" the idea that was told to them. I don't doubt that this is a possibility, but there is also a possibility that they could've just stolen it.

Oh yeah people also steal other peoples ideas pretty regularly but I'd not automatically assume malice.

From this example the same feeling would be generated by someone else internally already working on the same idea without needing any prompting from anyone in the actual meeting. This can actually be quite common in games where people will give a lot of unsolicited design ideas as feedback or part of bug reports. There's going to be collisions there without anyone's ideas being copied or stolen without credit.

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Post by dangerface »

DHowett wrote: post #30

Another day, another Casey post dunking on my team. Hi! This tweet misses the mark only a little bit; in a previous blog post, we apologized[1] pretty frankly to everyone involved in this discussion. I'll admit that we didn't list him by name, but neither did we list the other handful of folks involved. We should have. In turn, Casey rightly did not acknowledge it except to tell his followers that it was not a real a…

> Is it not acceptable that we use the same language?

Good question why insult him for his use if you feel its appropriate language?

> As the message evolved, that became more and more out-of-place.

The wording didn't "became more" it was inappropriate from the start and instead of acknowledging this you and lhecker have tried walking back every excuse to downplay this. You both don't think it was out of place or inappropriate you are both just upset that you got called out on it.

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Post by notreallyserio »

nickysielicki wrote: post #228
lhecker wrote: post #139

Hi! I'm the person who wrote that blog post. If you have any questions whatsoever, please let me know! English is not my native language and "The solution is trivial" was meant sarcastic. The solution isn't trivial at all, nor is it complete, because solving the corner cases is complex. I'd also like to mention ahead of time that DirectWrite/Direct2D is very fast at drawing western (Latin) text without coloring (>200…

The sarcasm was evident to me, FWIW. I don’t think you have anything to apologize for.

Sarcasm is usually very easy to spot if you assume the best in people. If you let cynicism take over then things said can be interpreted in the worst possible light.

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Post by jcranberry »

doix wrote: post #42
TrueTom wrote: post #35

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It seems you have posted the wrong link because there isn't really an apology?

> We were wrong. As such, we dedicate this experimental renderer to the community as an olive branch. We know we have so much more to learn, but we hope that you will accept our apology and understand we’re humans behind this product with a capability and willingness to learn from our past mistakes. What more really needs to be said? Feels like one of those times where if everyone just sat around at a pub with a beer…

The team hasn't lined up and cut out their own stomachs yet.

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Post by ripley12 »

brothir wrote: post #353
ripley12 wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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This is dishonest. The issue did go the way he wanted to, it's how the team responded to it that is the issue. And how is Casey the narcissist when the OP started a pure vent post and had to backtrack it, and who should you blame for being exhausted given that?

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