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Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

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Re: Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

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Post by cf100clunk »

blast wrote: post #186
jeromegv wrote: post #42

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Foreign support to this movement is not exactly a secret. They were waiving Trump flags, confederate flags and lots of MAGA signs were seen among the protesters. Also the movement has been publicized on Fox News and by famous right-wing people in the US, that's just normal that it would eventually lead to a lot of people in the US deciding to start donating. The simplest explanation is more likely than the conspiracy…

This is a bit removed from your point about foreign support, but the flag thing appears to have been exaggerated for political purposes. The Confederate flag guy was shunned by the protestors and stood out like a sore thumb to begin with: https://twitter.com/VigilantFox/status/1487834109678395392 . (I'm not endorsing that Twitter account - it's the only link I know of to the video, and the video is interesting.) It h…

Peaceful? I think news of armed militants amongst the protesters will soon be commonplace, like today's arrests of this heavily armed cadre:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/coutts-protest-blocka...

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Post by vkou »

inter_netuser wrote: post #253
Dig1t wrote: post #190

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Exactly! The media portrayal of the events is so incongruous when you actually watch the videos and see the pictures of the protestors. The headlines do not match what these people are actually doing at all. They are playing hockey in the streets, walking around waving flags with "freedom" on them. Yes they're noisy, but that's what protests are all about right? Making noise to be heard.

Because the majority of media in Canada is funded by the government under the guise of protecting home grown talent and such. It’s heavily subsidized and has all sorts of benefits at taxpayers largesse in order to survive the competition from the US. Without that regulatory backing, it would be dead under a year.

The CBC is not 'the majority of media'.

Some subset of Canadian media is required to publish some % of Canadian-produced content, but that does not make it funded by the government.

I don't know where this misinformation comes from, but I have some suspicions.

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Post by peeters »

haberman wrote: post #320
peeters wrote: post #303

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It depends whom you petition. If you petition the House to call an early election, that's part of our normal democracy. If you petition the army to remove the government, that's attempting a coup. In this case the MoU was not petitioning the House to call an early election, it was petitioning the Senate and Governor General to call an early election, who do not have the legal authority to call an election while the g…

I just read the MoU ( https://web.archive.org/web/20220122173201/https://canada-un... ). It is a ridiculous document, suggesting that CU and the central government will form a joint committee to set Covid policy together. But nowhere in the document do I see anything about calling an election, dissolving the government, or being beyond any constitutional powers. The Wikipedia quote upthread does not seem like an accu…

Obviously it takes some suspension of disbelief to take anything in that document seriously, but it suggests that the Senate and Governor General (both unelected) make up the new "Government of Canada", with no mention of the House (elected). It's pretty clear that the intention of the "offer" is to remove the duly elected government from the picture in the mistaken belief that the Senate and GG are of higher authority to the House.

As far as the petition for an early election goes, I agree I can't find it in the MoU. Perhaps it was reading between the lines and combining statements made outside the MoU with what was found within.

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pvg wrote: post #322
talentedcoin wrote: post #308

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If you are not mistaken, email your evidence to the mods. You can't post like this because it trashes the site and, unfortunately, almost all such posts are by people who turn out to have been mistaken or can't reliably show that that they weren't.

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Post by gpm »

Bud wrote: post #9

Reuters is behind a paywall (if you are over their article limit due to being a news addict); could we get a non-paywalled link for this please?

It's not actually being a paywall - it's behind a login wall - but they don't ask for money (or a credit card) and seem to actually mean unlimited access.

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Post by analog31 »

whatshisface wrote: post #213
monkeybutton wrote: post #197

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Angry about sience! https://preview.redd.it/pj9zbnm03gh81.jpg?width=640&crop=sma...

"Crazy people make trouble for no good reason" is almost too hard to believe, are you sure there's nothing they want in particular?

What do they want? Do we know? Is there a document we can point to, that we know expresses the grievances of the protesters? Of a majority of protesters? Of their supporters?

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Post by adra »

lesuorac wrote: post #207
amscanne wrote: post #85

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The polls I've seen had ~half of Canadians sympathetic to the protests [1], and about 20% strongly supporting. It's completely true that it could be one highly motivated individual, but that has nothing to do with your first assertion (which is a mixed truth at best). I think that the government's claim (echoed by many media outlets) that this is purely a fringe movement has added fuel to the fire. [1] https://global…

> An Ipsos poll published Thursday and conducted exclusively for Global News showed that nearly 46 per cent of Canadians say they “may not agree with everything” the trucker convoy says or does, but the frustration of protesters is “legitimate and worthy” of sympathy. I don't think your statement is at odds with gp's. A legitimate concern doesn't make it popular. However, the greater issue is a lack of organization a…

Don't forget the 99%!

The best thing ruin collective disputes is to add more noise and discourse so that the original cause is lost in the shuffle and the majority just sit back and shrug. "I can get behind solving one problem at a time, but when they're shouting for 20, I can't be bothered to care."

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Post by advisedwang »

monkeybutton wrote: post #41
advisedwang wrote: post #8

I'd be very interest in the distribution of donations? E.g. are there big donors or is the money mostly from small donors.

The median is $50 and the 95th percentile is $200 so it's mostly small donations with a few (22) donations over 5K. Plus the one 215K whale.

What's the total number of donors / amount of donation? Apologies for not doing the research myself, I'm at work.

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Post by gpm »

sam_goody wrote: post #257
mrtesthah wrote: post #179

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Foreign support is grossly apparent from the leaked data. Individual donors 36,975 Canadian 55,870 Foreign 92,845 Total Amount donated $4,311,287 Canadian $12,532,326 Foreign $16,843,613 Total

I think that most people mean "foreign" as foreign government (such as CCP) support, not just support from middle-class Americans (and Europeans) who identify with the protests and happen to be foreigners. And while it could be that foreign governments have donated with false identities over GSG, it is more likely that they would send in people to figure out who is really capable of moving things, and contact them wi…

As a Canadian I absolutely count donations from foreigners in the US and Europe as foreign money and absolutely think that that should be illegal (though I have no clue as to what the current legal status of that is).

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Post by throwaway894345 »

talentedcoin wrote: post #349

For those of you still on the fence or just learning about this, here's a rundown of the fine people in charge of this travesty of a "protest": https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/who-is-who-a-guide-to-the-majo... PAT KING: Pat King is a far-right protester who has said in videos posted to social media that there may be future plans to target politicians' homes and that "the only way that this is going to be solved is with…

I genuinely wonder how many of the people protesting actually know who this person is or what he believes (if the parent comment even accurately represents him--I really have no idea). Reminds me of how people would criticize BLM protests on the basis that some people in the BLM org had ties to communism--a very weak criticism considering how many better criticisms existed and how few of the protesters had related views. The parent comment seems like a similarly weak indictment of the protesters.
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