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Re: Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

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Post by Apocryphon » Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 5:38 PM UTC

gruez wrote: post #193

Apocryphon wrote: post #148

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These protests are a disruption specific to the internal affairs of Canada. The U.S. has long had a dominant power relationship with the rest of the continent. The way that Americans have imposed their views on both sides of this internal conflict is both patronizing and deleterious to the self-determination of the Canadian people. It would be as suspect if one was to donate to the Shining Path, the Contras, the Mede…

Agreed. The xinjiang intern- uhh... vocational education and training centers are an issue that that's specific to the internal affairs of China. The U.S. has long had a dominant power relationship with the rest of the world. The way that Americans have imposed their views on both sides of this internal conflict is both patronizing and deleterious to the self-determination of the Chinese people. It would be as suspec…

China is not located in the Americas, while Canada is. American geography education is indeed in a dire state.

Re: Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

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Post by peeters » Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 5:40 PM UTC

cjbgkagh wrote: post #139

peeters wrote: post #110

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You're ignoring what I wrote entirely. We're not calling it an insurrection because it's a protest. We're calling it an insurrection because it's a protest with the express stated goal of overthrowing the democratically elected government.

I haven't followed very closely so perhaps I missed it, but is there a source on that? Only thing I can find is the reporting on Jagmeet Singh comments who is opposed to the truckers.

The Wikipedia article is probably your best bet for a summary of factual information at this point.

> One of the main organizers behind the convoy, Canada Unity (CU), acknowledged that they had planned to submit their signed "memorandum of understanding" (MoU) to the Senate of Canada and Governor General Mary Simon, described in the MoU as the "SCGGC". The MoU which was signed by James and Sandra Bauder and Martin Brodmann, was posted on the Canada Unity website in mid-December 2021 and publicly available until its February 8 retraction. (...) CTV cited Bauder saying that he hoped the signed MoU would convince Elections Canada to trigger an election, which is not constitutionally possible. In this pseudolegal document, CU called on the "SCGGC" to cease all vaccine mandates, reemploy all employees terminated due to vaccination status, and rescind all fines imposed for non-compliance with public health orders. If this failed, the MoU called on the "SCGGC" to dissolve the government, and name members of the CU to form a Canadian Citizens Committee (CCC), which is beyond the constitutional powers of either the Governor General or the Senate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Convoy_2022#Protest_go...

Re: Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

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Post by DoctorOW » Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 5:41 PM UTC

bentcorner wrote: post #122

DoctorOW wrote: post #69

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From the article you linked: > For one, the new report was based on data only through November, before the U.S. booster campaign really took off. It also looked at data during the Delta wave and does not account for the surging Omicron variant. The study doesn't take other variants into account. This is important because later findings reflect the unvaccinated would have immunity from just the one variant and not all…

Source data from that article: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/pdfs/mm7104e1-H.pdf That article is misleading, because it's comparing hazard rates of people who have had COVID before and were unvaccinated versus people who didn't have COVID before and were vaccinated. Best case scenario are people who are vaccinated and had COVID. Worst off are people are not vaccinated and hadn't had COVID. I've seen this cla…

Is that not intentional? To compare the immunity gained from having the virus, to the immunity gained from vaccination?

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Post by good8675309 » Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 5:41 PM UTC

rwj wrote: post #96

abernard1 wrote: post #45

As one of the donors included in this hack, I am not entirely sure what they're out to accomplish. Despite eye-rolling media mischaracterizations of these truckers as you-know-whats, it's a run of the mill workers strike. It has also been extremely peaceful and frankly comical at times. (We can contrast this with the "fiery yet mostly peaceful protests" of 2020 that negatively affected working class neighborhoods and…

I don't mind if it inconvenience the government, but they have severely impacted residential neighbourhoods as well. Others in the movement have blocked commercial traffic across the border, putting people jobs at risk. Ironically, I think these higher pressure activities will back fire. They could probably find a lot of support for easing restrictions, but destroying people's homes and jobs is not going to make or k…

They are leaving or have already left the residential areas: https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/ottawa-mayor-says-truckers-have-ag...

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Post by sofixa » Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 5:42 PM UTC

defaultname wrote: post #183

echelon wrote: post #100

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> We're "calling it an insurrection" because that is a stated objective of the organizers, to overthrow the elected government of Canada. I'm liberal, but the far left jumping to call protests an act of " insurrection " makes me want to warn you that this is an extreme characterization that will only further polarize us. We have to stop this nonsense. It's like when those on the far left call for an end of free speec…

"Far left"? I'm a conservative. Most normal conservatives are vigorously against these protests, for exactly the same reason that we were against railway blockades, and against violence and mayhem that occurred under the umbrella of BLM protests. I am simply in awe that so many of the same people that were viciously against BLM protests are supporters of this protest. Regardless, the literal stated goal of the organi…

> I am simply in awe that so many of the same people that were viciously against BLM protests are supporters of this protest

Where do you think that hypocrisy comes from? I'm across the pond so very far from the action, but I'm very curious how people reason about this.

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Post by brnaftr361 » Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 5:42 PM UTC

soared wrote: post #71

abernard1 wrote: post #45

As one of the donors included in this hack, I am not entirely sure what they're out to accomplish. Despite eye-rolling media mischaracterizations of these truckers as you-know-whats, it's a run of the mill workers strike. It has also been extremely peaceful and frankly comical at times. (We can contrast this with the "fiery yet mostly peaceful protests" of 2020 that negatively affected working class neighborhoods and…

I thought these protests were negatively affecting working class neighborhoods as well by honking horns during the night? I’m not holding a strong opinion on the subject but it’s kind of silly bias to compare this to blm with your phrasing. Blacks have been through much much worse for hundreds of years, so the truckers going through troubling times for 2 years doesn’t really justify the comparison.

If you wanna bring up race, the US and CA black populations have lower rates of vaccination. The truckers want mandates withdrawn. Regardless of their intentions, they're doing a public good which will lend itself to the black population.

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Post by lesuorac » Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 5:42 PM UTC

amscanne wrote: post #85

bawolff wrote: post #51

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The protest is super unpopular in canada. It could just as easily be a random canadian citizen who is pissed about the protest and wants to prove that the protest is not grass roots but foreign meddling.

The polls I've seen had ~half of Canadians sympathetic to the protests [1], and about 20% strongly supporting. It's completely true that it could be one highly motivated individual, but that has nothing to do with your first assertion (which is a mixed truth at best). I think that the government's claim (echoed by many media outlets) that this is purely a fringe movement has added fuel to the fire. [1] https://global…

> An Ipsos poll published Thursday and conducted exclusively for Global News showed that nearly 46 per cent of Canadians say they “may not agree with everything” the trucker convoy says or does, but the frustration of protesters is “legitimate and worthy” of sympathy.

I don't think your statement is at odds with gp's. A legitimate concern doesn't make it popular.

However, the greater issue is a lack of organization and so nothing (very little) is going to get done (much like with BLM).

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Post by Dig1t » Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 5:42 PM UTC

acdha wrote: post #142

Dig1t wrote: post #77

Interesting side thought, this whole debacle has made me see the real value of Bitcoin and other crypto currencies..

You mean where your support for a controversial political movement would be irrevocably public? If this list had leaked Bitcoin addresses, the next thing you'd see would be a report of everything else those addresses had been used for.

True, but its much harder to dox this number of people if all you have is a big list of Bitcoin addresses. It requires significantly more work, plus it's also harder to stop the disbursement of funds like what happened with the Canadian government freezing bank accounts and transactions with this campaign.

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Post by gpm » Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 5:42 PM UTC

rajin444 wrote: post #172

gpm wrote: post #70

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> the timing of this seems to point to state sponsored hacking, no? No. The hack was obviously politically motivated, beyond that, nothing here points towards it being state sponsored. Non-state actors are equally motivated by the timing. The idea that the Canadian government hacked GiveSendGo is also frankly ridiculous. Our government just isn't that lawless, and they could almost certainly get this data via legal m…

> Our government just isn't that lawless Both recent and historical evidence does not really support this claim. It is very very very easy to find many examples of governments breaking the law for their own benefit. I don’t think it was the Canadian government either, but your logic does not seem good.

Both the words "our government" (i.e. the current canadian government), and "that" are doing work. Neither examples of random governments committing significant crimes, nor of the Canadian government committing less significantly corrupt crimes, contradict the premise.

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Post by davewritescode » Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 5:43 PM UTC

abernard1 wrote: post #45

As one of the donors included in this hack, I am not entirely sure what they're out to accomplish. Despite eye-rolling media mischaracterizations of these truckers as you-know-whats, it's a run of the mill workers strike. It has also been extremely peaceful and frankly comical at times. (We can contrast this with the "fiery yet mostly peaceful protests" of 2020 that negatively affected working class neighborhoods and…

BLM protestors were routinely arrested, beaten and teargassed on live TV for everyone to watch.

Donating directly to a mob causing havoc thousands of miles away from you because you're annoyed that your coworkers did the same is why this country and frankly the western world is so entirely broken. This is a wonderful example of the politics of spite in action. Making the world a better place has gone out the window, it's simply about making the world a worse place for people you don't like

Harassing people wearing masks and minding their own business and stealing from foodbanks because restaurants refuse to serve protestors isn't exactly peaceful.

Where does this end? Is it ok for me to pay homeless people to stand outside your house with a rifle and scream at your house all night?