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Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

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Post by valarauko »

cjbgkagh wrote: post #165
abernard1 wrote: post #95

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Because I'm sympathetic to their plight. I'm a class traitor frankly. My whole family works in jobs like this that have been impacted. One of my old co-founders was a 24 big-rig truck mechanic and his dad is being put out of business by the California CARB restrictions. But aside from the specifics, I find it odd that people are decrying cross-national donations of money to causes. Were similar complaints made about…

"Ninety percent of Canadians live within 100 miles of the US" I think in many ways, geographically and culturally, they're closer to Americans than they are to each other. Not that Canadians see it that way.

I might suggest that Americans within 100 miles of the Northern border more closely resemble Canadians than they do their other compatriots.

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Post by peeters »

_-david-_ wrote: post #192
peeters wrote: post #178

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I don't believe there has been a level of violence that has been concerning or comparable to other protests. There has been the usual behaviour you see in these protests, including harassment of people wearing masks, healthcare workers, businesses, etc. A small amount of riot-associated behaviour like breaking windows of businesses. It has largely been peaceful. Overt violence isn't necessary to the definition of ins…

>an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government Which protest does not meet that criteria?

Most? You can protest against a government while still acknowledging its legitimacy.

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Post by whatshisface »

monkeybutton wrote: post #197
whatshisface wrote: post #181

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Maybe, but angry about vaccines or worker's rights? :-)

Angry about sience! https://preview.redd.it/pj9zbnm03gh81.jpg?width=640&crop=sma...

"Crazy people make trouble for no good reason" is almost too hard to believe, are you sure there's nothing they want in particular?

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Post by sleepingadmin »

abernard1 wrote: post #45

As one of the donors included in this hack, I am not entirely sure what they're out to accomplish. Despite eye-rolling media mischaracterizations of these truckers as you-know-whats, it's a run of the mill workers strike. It has also been extremely peaceful and frankly comical at times. (We can contrast this with the "fiery yet mostly peaceful protests" of 2020 that negatively affected working class neighborhoods and…

>As one of the donors included in this hack, I am not entirely sure what they're out to accomplish.

No different than any other cancel culture etc.

>Despite eye-rolling media mischaracterizations of these truckers as you-know-whats, it's a run of the mill workers strike.

This is very important I learnt this weekend. Not to be glossed over.

Trudeau himself attacked the convoy as fringe minority, racists, sexists, and white supremacists. The 'government accredited' media was very fast to show the nazi flag and confederate flags. Conveniently very expensive professional camera gear right there to take pictures.

Yet the real media went around showing that the group is pretty diverse. https://notthebee.com/article/come-and-laugh-with-me-at-the-...

So what gives? Well what happened? Antivaxxers are unemployed? But who are the antivaxxers? ~50% of black canadians are unwilling to get vaccinated. ~25% of arabic and indian canadians are unwilling. When the average is ~85%. It means whites are above 85%. I didn't know this.

It means Trudeau and the 'government accredited' media who rushed out this narrative that they are white supremacists in fact knew they were disproportionally harming not-whites. That to label this convoy as white supremacist might discourage not-whites from joining. This 1 nazi flag has to be a journalist because the convoy is certainly not white supremacist.

At what point does the 'government accredited' media who pushed this white supremacist narrative get labelled government propaganda?

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Post by gruez »

Apocryphon wrote: post #201
gruez wrote: post #193

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Agreed. The xinjiang intern- uhh... vocational education and training centers are an issue that that's specific to the internal affairs of China. The U.S. has long had a dominant power relationship with the rest of the world. The way that Americans have imposed their views on both sides of this internal conflict is both patronizing and deleterious to the self-determination of the Chinese people. It would be as suspec…

China is not located in the Americas, while Canada is. American geography education is indeed in a dire state.

1. I'm not sure how you got the impression that I implied china was located in the americans. My comment was specifically worded to not imply that.

2. Does america's influence on the world not exist? Why does your original claim of "Americans have imposed their views on both sides of this internal conflict is both patronizing and deleterious to the self-determination of the Canadian people" only apply if it's on the same continent? Is it better to impose your views on people half way across the world?

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Post by DoctorOW »

rvz wrote: post #43
defaultname wrote: post #16

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Alternately, yet another right wing "alternative" site had poor security practices and got exploited. They had S3 buckets full of customer data sitting open for some time, and they stayed accessible days after it was widely known.

Exactly. Just like GoDaddy and Twitch had poor security with everything that they stored on their servers from PII and source code getting breached and leaked by hackers right? [0] [1] I'm sure everyone was happy with that hackivism and those guys should have gotten their security right the first time. /s Can't wait for someone else to say, 'Security is so hard' but also cheer on hackers that breach sites they don't…

Not sure about the details of the Twitch hack, but yeah the GoDaddy setup was pretty insecure.

> Can't wait for someone else to say, 'Security is so hard' but also cheer on hackers that breach sites they don't like.

The top comment of the GoDaddy post you linked literally says "This could have been an easily avoidable data breach."

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Post by rvz »

defaultname wrote: post #112
rvz wrote: post #43

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Exactly. Just like GoDaddy and Twitch had poor security with everything that they stored on their servers from PII and source code getting breached and leaked by hackers right? [0] [1] I'm sure everyone was happy with that hackivism and those guys should have gotten their security right the first time. /s Can't wait for someone else to say, 'Security is so hard' but also cheer on hackers that breach sites they don't…

I don't think whataboutism is productive. Nor did I "cheer on" anything: It sucks when people are exploited by incompetent actors. We've repeatedly watched as "the mainstream restricts us so we'll do our own thing" sites are built with absolutely rudimentary security faults. They're rushed, have a very eager and non-discretionary userbase that is chomping at the bit. They usually have compromised motivations. And the…

> I don't think whataboutism is productive.

Except that this isn't 'whataboutism' since I already agreed with what you said, that GiveSendGo definitely had poor security whilst also not supporting or justifying with hacktivists, criminals or script-kiddies attacking anyone's site.

> Nor did I "cheer on" anything:

Never directly accused you for cheering: I'm only predicting the obvious.

If one is supporting hackers breaching other peoples websites they don't like, whilst defending another with that phrase which applies to everyone as an excuse for it, then you would fall under that category.

> And then they fall. It has become sadly predictable.

Yes, it's very predictable. Unfortunately it can happen to anyone. Whether if you are big like GoDaddy or small like GiveSendGo. These hackers are not on anyone's side.

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Post by brnaftr361 »

peeters wrote: post #178
good8675309 wrote: post #116

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The definition of an insurrection is "a violent uprising against an authority or government." Where is the violence? I'm seeing people dancing and enjoying themselves. So much joy. It's like a big festival. People are helping each other and coming together. I see families and food banks being filled, trash cleaned up. Please post videos of all the violence. Btw, you can see an endless feed of the types of events I've…

I don't believe there has been a level of violence that has been concerning or comparable to other protests. There has been the usual behaviour you see in these protests, including harassment of people wearing masks, healthcare workers, businesses, etc. A small amount of riot-associated behaviour like breaking windows of businesses. It has largely been peaceful. Overt violence isn't necessary to the definition of ins…

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Insurrection (?), n.: 1. A rising against civil or political authority, or the established government; open and active opposition to the execution of law in a city or state.

“It is found that this city of old time hath made insurrection against kings, and that rebellion and sedition have been made therein.”

Ezra iv. 19.

2. A rising in mass to oppose an enemy. [Obs.]

Syn. -- Insurrection, Sedition, Revolt, Rebellion, Mutiny. Sedition is the raising of commotion in a state, as by conspiracy, without aiming at open violence against the laws. Insurrection is a rising of individuals to prevent the execution of law by force of arms. Revolt is a casting off the authority of a government, with a view to put it down by force, or to substitute one ruler for another. Rebellion is an extended insurrection and revolt. Mutiny is an insurrection on a small scale, as a mutiny of a regiment, or of a ship's crew.

https://www.websters1913.com/words/Insurrection

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Post by jjulius »

Apocryphon wrote: post #160
jjulius wrote: post #82

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Not OP (and this shouldn't be considered an endorsement of their donation/views), but it's similar to how someone in Nantucket might've donated to groups protesting police in Minneapolis in summer 2020. It's a cause you believe in and you want those fighting for it to keep going, and you may also want that fight to influence others local to you to get more vocal.

Nantucket and Minneapolis both belong to the same political union. Canada is not yet a constituent member of the United States.

Absolutely correct, but that doesn't really change the validity of either of the points that I made.

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Post by cjbgkagh »

peeters wrote: post #202
cjbgkagh wrote: post #139

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I haven't followed very closely so perhaps I missed it, but is there a source on that? Only thing I can find is the reporting on Jagmeet Singh comments who is opposed to the truckers.

The Wikipedia article is probably your best bet for a summary of factual information at this point. > One of the main organizers behind the convoy, Canada Unity (CU), acknowledged that they had planned to submit their signed "memorandum of understanding" (MoU) to the Senate of Canada and Governor General Mary Simon, described in the MoU as the "SCGGC". The MoU which was signed by James and Sandra Bauder and Martin Br…

It is indeed stated, I did not know that, thanks for the reference. I don't think it's serious though. By the same measure Extinction Rebellion would be considered an insurrection. I kinda remember BLM stating demands that included a separatist black country in the south. Hardly constitutional.

I think the threat would have to be serious to count as an insurrection, as in an actual credible plan to carry it out to fruition.

Otherwise every crackpot would be guilty of insurrection.

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